Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Of course. but the angry spirit was there:) I suggested a definition in a previous post. Patriotism wins, but then, some of my pals aren't patriotic in the slightest, and always moan when they come back from their business trips/hols how backward Poland. That does annoy.

But, who are those to say when we see `patriotism` and when we see `nationalism`.

No, don`t tell me. Its western Europe. When they define some behavior, as it suit to their political aims, they say `its opinion of international community`.

Western Europeans are primitives, savages and beasts.

200k !!! And it's a just bare estimation. We ARE UNITED!!! It's LEFTARDS who try to divide us! You have a proof right here.

Verhofstadt, Macaron and Juncker disslike. It doesn't work in favor of US of Europe project.

Nationalism = patriotism
Globalism = totalitarianism
Easy choice.

250k
Most in Polish history
twitter.com/PolskaPolicja/status/1061677005702422528

Hahaha, got to love these numbers, because it's an obvious and ridiculous exaggeration.


Let's be honest Jimmy, it's only when you get nervous that you attack other posters. I wonder why you're so nervous, are you concerned that you can be easily traced through your contacts with "Deep", who isn't anonymous? I wonder how quickly he would squeal on you...

"NIE MA RADOSCI BEZ NIEPODLEGLOSCI." - Seen on a banner in front of a Polish-American school in Greenpoint, Bklyn.

Patriotism and Nationalism are synonymous. Patriots are defined by love of Nation (theirs). Nationalism can't exist without them.

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250k! Quarter of a MILION!!! Marched in the Independence March!
It has nothing with political insight! We ARE POLES!!! Regardless of our INSIGHT! Shame fuc+tards from the left tried to (again) divide us

Poles have much to proud of on the day of their independence! STO LAT, I say!

Nope! The definition and the difference is quite easy:

Patriots = Love their country and want what's best for it.

Nationalists = Hate other countries and wish them the worst.

You can easily define who is what just by listening to them! A patriot does not feel the need to downtalk other countries to make his own country look better. He doesn't see enemies to fight against everwhere etc. etc. etc....Nationalists NEED the fight/dislike/hate against other countries! Patriots rather want peace and cooperation, because that's what is the best!

Often a double-edged sword though.

A majority of people living in Poland do not care much about anything else but their own quiet lives. They do not vote and are ignorant of anything political.

To use it as if that fact would indicate that the march is popular only with a fringe of society is misleading to say the least.

I would say that a large chunk of those who bother to vote or are interest in politicks are supportive of the march in a one form or the other. Much more have nothing against it.

Sure, those who actively participate in organizing of the march as well as those who just vote on organization and societies that are behind that march are not that numerous by any stretch of imagination. They constitute about 2% of the whole. However those who support them less directly or have nothing against the march are much more numerous - I would say about 30-40%.

Also I don't see 2% as something insigficant, after all those who started the American Revolution weren't that numerus and had not enjoyed a popular support from the very beginning.

You don't get it Ironside. Or refuse to.
In the poll that Maf quotes, 78 percent were against the march.
What you and me think are statistically irrelevant, especially in a democracy.

You don't get it. Those polls in Poland are not reliable. Too often in the past they were tailored to suit particular needs or expectations of those who paid for them to be a source a one can build assumption upon.

Serbian media rapports that Poles today on march burned EU flag.

I am happy. I love Poles and I deserve to be happy.

By the God, Velika je Poljska and would be only bigger.

Generally a very tedious day. One day, Poles will celebrate their Independence Day with joy and love - not this desperation to be acknowledged.

RiP to Gavrilo, to Serbian student that made Polish independence possible. Not some French, English or German student. I hope that Duda mentioned this fact.

@Ironside
Right.....I find that hard to believe. If Polish polling was false, even though it is taken as an indicator in elections, then it would have been flagged.

The same polling is obviously used here. Going by your theories, referendums mean nothing.
In the case of the UK and Brexit, I wish they weren't.
I suggest you learn some respect Crow. You are a ******* nutcase.

How I read Serbian media, Duda was barely heard during march, nor he was seen in moments because of pyrotechnics.


said English. Now I know for sure I am normal. Not that I`m not surprised.

You have NOTHING to do with Poland Crow. Please see a doctor.

It was a huge march, flags everywhere I walked

Poles and Serbs are one people.

Poland goes with Serbia and Hungary, with Czech Republic and Slovakia, etc. We won`t leave Poland to madness such are France, Britain and Germany.

And, Dougpol1, your provocations are very primitive. I am surprised.


God bless you.

And the hate slogans Mr Grunwald? And the racist banners? And the flares? Listening to more Chopin. His music is proud - the marches are xen ophobic and lame.


Look Crow. I know something of Serbia. I went out with a girl from Belgrade once upon a time and I loved her like I was going insane.. You guys are nationalistic, and crazy:) Poles are different, more of a mix . Sorry to break the obvious to you.

I don`t know what is with these English. What they expect. They think Poles are naive?


What you tries to say? Poles aren`t pussies.

Dougpol1
1. I didn't see any rascist banners
2. There were slogans like "na drzewach nie będzie liści, bo będą wisieć komuniści" ;)
3. There were flares&fireworks

I don't know what you expect but, there are few ways to celebrate independence by non-state organisations in Poland cause of PRL. Now it's a time to celebrate it without having to think about politics. The more the media tries to politicize it, makes only people mad. Please don't fall in to that trap

It's as Maf says. They look after their own. Which is why they love Margaret Thatcher so much. No real sense of community, because it was beaten out of them, but in the future young Poles will learn to CELEBRATE their Independence Day. It needs this communist and old generation to die out for people to start having fun again.

How many foreigners live personally with you?
How many foreigners in Poland would be too many?
How many blacks from Africa would be too many?
I know. Numbers are mean and xenophobic. And racist.
And you will never provide them. Only an evasion or a personal insult.

Thank you for your report Mr G. Poles politicise it. The media reports. It should be one big party, but you are determined to be serious and miserable. Because "It's our tradition!"

(Head banging smiley) Poland can be so ******* depressing to live in, even after 27 years.

Are you feeling alright Vladimir? Wot are you on about? Racist banners as they were paraded last year are illegal under race discrimination laws, and you know it.

In the US, such banners start a riot. In Western Europe they don't exist. Or would start mass riots. You don't live here, and you think this sort of behaviour should be tolerated? It's none of your business.

Now go down to the Moscow river and raise one finger.