Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

FFS Dolno, that's the word they use to describe themselves!

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodowy_radykalizm

Someone who supports this is a nationalist.

Polish doesn't work like English, a nationalist in English is not necessarily a bad thing (Scottish, Catalan, Basque, Flemish, etc.). In Polish, referring to Polish nationalists, it refers specifically to the far right. Normal people don't call themselves nationalists in Poland.

This is an English forum so it's your fault for not referring to those parties as radical ultra right wing.

If you refer to those nutters as such you will find that I am in complete agreement.

Yes, all you have to do is think of the BNP. The term Nationalism in the modern context is not the same thing as being patriotic in the old fashioned sense.

@Dolno, the "I'm proud of my country" stuff is fine up to a point. But I'm not sure what there is to be proud of at the moment with Poland. The nation is in turmoil in many ways and there is no clear vision and well planned goal setting or long term plan for Poland's political and economic future. There is no sense of any clear direction for the nation and very poor leadership, a weak opposition party who don't provide any compelling alternatives etc. Not a good time in Poland's history. The country is at real risk of sliding backwards and losing much of the gains it's made over the last twenty years or so. The best thing you can do for your country is to recognize that and take steps to address it in whatever way you can.

That is absolutely true, I'm a (sort of proud) American and was raised areligiously.
That is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that I'm right; A large majority of Polish people (those living in Poland) don't like the march in Warsaw in the form it's had the last couple of years where most of the publicity is taken by thuggish skinheads carrying banners that say things like "Death to the Enemies of the Homeland".

I have no super strong opinions on the parade (which is a mixed bag with lots of less threatening groups too) all I'm claiming is that a majority of Polish people don't like it and that's backed up by recent reliable polling. While claims that a majority of Poles support the march in its current incarnation is supported by..... what exactly?

The country is doing just fine if you consider where it was in 1989, we will be just fine as long as we are free (Don't fret).

But you cannot smear all the people attending the march as BNP of national front supporters, many are their to voice concerns about foreign political policies being forced upon Poland that are not compatible with the country and it's traditions, there are people there who also voice their concerns about the political state of Poland.

But on the whole all are there to celebrate Poland freedom from foreign slavery and oppression.

I think that there are many European countries sliding back much faster than Poland, look at Britain sliding into murder and anarchy and alienating itself from the rest of Europe with Brexit.

Both major political parties in Poland make it clear that Poland stands with Europe and the European union.

Yes there is the odd spat like the migrant crisis, but Poland was right to stand it's ground as this is now an agreed failed policy that has caused much damage, especially to a good leader and friend of Poland Angela who's only fault was to try and force that failed policy upon Poland, sadly she has now had to fall on her sword to ensure political stability in Germany.

hmm... see you don't dare to name names and repeat your slander. As for the rest of your commie rant, jump the lake, there enough of the red scum in Poland.


Don't bother dolno. Delphin is either progressive or just a manure throwing monkey or both. No point to talk to him. Same goes with commie thug Dough, he is such low IQ its a miracle then he can walk and talk at the same time.

This crowd here seem to be unable or unwilling to grasp few simple issues. what important they are so suck up with their own egos and preconception they are not even really listening aside progressives. Progressive preachers are really something else

- a preaching semi-religious fanatics. Only bulled can cure it.

There is nothing wrong with those marches. If someone say there is they are either progressives which is beyond pale, ignorant or simply stupid bigots.

Which enemies of the homeland do you wish death upon? How do you want to kill them?

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Yes, he does. He confuses values and ideas with the way a state act out on the world stage. On purpose I might add.


Look here. you made a fool out of yourself, again. Unless you are lying, again.

If someone refers to himself in Polish as a nationalist, then yes you're right, few people do. The catch here is there is a word in Polish, that is often trnsalted as a nationalist but it isn't - narodowiec is something different and specifically Polish. Chew on that Mr. expert lol.


Yes, he does. He confuses values and ideas with the way a state act out on the world stage. On purpose I might add.

Yes random idiots.


It's been evolving / revolving over the last ten years or so , I believe in time this March will become to be to be everything that is good about Poland and the marginal lunatics will be thrown off this very public platform, by the sane majority who want to celebrate peacefully.

All of them?


Morally and politically.

Not a commie. I don't want government interfering in my life. PIS voters are the commies. They want it served up on a plate for them. I work, and pay my taxes. Glad to clear that up for you.

As for IQ, mine are average? Yours? And while you're domiciled in Norway, earning a Norwegian salary, the rest of us are keeping the home fires burning and fighting the good fight.

That's wasted on you - because you could care less about your country.


So, 78 percent of Poles, who hate these marches, are the above, according to you? Shocking assertion. What an insult to Poles everywhere ( the 78 percent) YBut oif course, you wouldn't really know the truth of the matter, seeing as you are a plastic Pole after all.

nacjonalista and narodowiec, both translate in google to nationalist, but are very different in meaning. bad to use google

Really? Dolno, Polish people will be afraid to go into the city centre on Sunday because of the uncertainty over what will happen regarding the thug element. The army will be doing the security, so would you want to have a day out with the family with the prospect of tens of thousands of disgruntled skinheads confronting the military on the streets? It's a tragedy on what should be a beautiful, dignified occasion to celebrate 100 years of Polish independence. It should be a lovely day with some formal events in the city's historic quarters such as the Stare Miasto, and music, etc, open/free day at the musuems and places that usually charge entry fees, all that lark. The fact that the whole thing is an ugly mess reflects the state of the country and how it's being run at the moment.

The march makes now even the international headlines:


theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/09/fears-of-violence-as-polish-state-intervenes-in-nationalist-march


True or not but such reporting is not good for Polands international image...

As I keep being reminded here, "real" Poles don't care about the country's international image.

Yes really (smiley face), the government has asked for a peaceful march under the red and white flag, and for the march to show unity between political parties.

OK if this needs to come to a head later at night and the Nazi or Commie supporting nutters want to fight the Polish army, then let them fight, I hope the army has orders to give no mercy to anarchists, a few hundred smashed skulls might focus thugs decisions to attend next years event.

According to well-informed sources, the army will seal off the access to the Dmowski round-about where the march is to start. Sources say the authorities exclude any possibility for the nationalists' march to set off from there one hour before the official march begins (as planned by the nationalists). Not without reason the body which organizes the official march is the Ministry of Defense. People who want to participate in the Independence March (the original one organised by the nationalists) have no other choice but to join the official march with President Andrzej Duda and Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki - says the source quoted by wirtualna polska.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/wojsko-nie-dopusci-do-marszu-narodowcow-przyjada-rosomaki-nikt-nie-bedzie-mial-prawa-sie-zblizyc-6315037960046209a

So let's focus on facts and not on a subjective outlook of "acts that never happened", Atch. Cause if we follow this line of thinking then we can justify or criticize virtually anything and anyone regardless of their past deeds, crimes or affiliations.

Jozef Mackiewicz has once famously said: "Only the truth is interesting"

You're confusing 'truth' with events. Truth encompasses much more than simple facts or events. However, let's not get into philosophy. I need a strong cup of tea and a delicious pastry of some kind to sustain me before I can embark on such a discussion!

You should rather focus on real problems like those German neo-nazis celebrating a birthday of German nazi Rudolf Hess (a deputy of Adolf Hitler) just last summer [Aug 2017] in Berlin:

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/neo-nazis-berlin-ruidolf-hess-a7901771.html



instead of being so "concerned" with Polish Independence March.

....surely only some misguided patriots....some nationalists gone abit over the top....nothing serious...


Yeah...well...I apologize...they closed the "german" thread....so I need to invade other threads...I'm a German, if I'm not invading something I'm not happy....

Let's focus on them indeed. Only 2% of Poles expressed any interest in attending such a march, which fits neatly in line with the fringe nature of this.

Let's also focus on the fact that far from being a "grassroots march", it's actually going to be led by the government.

Let's also focus on the fact that for some strange reason, the support on this forum comes not from Poland, but from people outside it.

Exactly they should march for Poland and the values behind this celebration , nutters should be marginalised.

Atch, let's say that I don't believe that you're about to drink a coffee. Does that change the fact that a warm liquid may be filling up your belly right now? :-)

Tell me what happened? Did Serbs finally initiated turmoils in Poland? If somebody can awake Poles, that`s Serbs.

"The US Embassy in Warsaw has issued a security alert advising citizens to avoid the march route". (The Guardian)
So what we have Spike, is a situation - as those of us on the ground here have been saying, that we have a mob march which has been allowed to grow for the last 10 years, which has been hijacked by low life scum, and you defend it?

Do tell us what would happen if you marched with racist banners and flares in Blackpool or Middlesborough? But strangely, you support yobs doing so here? I take issue with Dolno that it is the odd loser behaving in this way....more like in the thousands, and these crims deserve prison time for inciting racial hatred.

If Poland was the laughing stock of Europe 10 years ago for jailing village alcoholics for riding their cycles while drunk (illegally imprisoning them IMO), then they bloody well should have no problems in giving these "hard" men a taste of their own medicine.

I will answer your question but first I'll make a few corrections. Instead of:


Should be:


I not only defend them but I also support them.


I don't get involved with British politics.
Since I'm only a guest here in the UK I don't want to interfere with local politics. I don't feel that I have right to do so and I also don't want to look like an complete fool who doesn't understand a complicated socio-political situation in the country.

Can somebody, finally, tell me what the hell is a racist banner? What does it say to make "racist"?

We will never win the argument with these ex pats in Poland.
They think they know it all.....but they don't understand the subtleties.....Poles are
not like The Brits,The French or The Germans.....what you see in Poland cannot be translated into British,French or German mentality....
Maybe The Yanks understand.....Poles are different.

pesky Pollish people who live in Poland? Do you have any evidence that the march in the form it's had in the last few years enjoys broad support among the Polish public? The only real data point I could find shows quite the opposite (which jibes with my experiences talking with Polish people in Poland).


As an American from the South, I find the term "Yanks" to be very offensive (as it only refers to northerners).