Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Hello All,

I am travelling from Canada to Poland that week for the first time to meet my Polish relatives. I wanted to check out the parade and maybe even participate... Would I be welcome as a foreigner with Polish roots? Any info would be a great help, thank you!

I don't think you will have any problems even if you don't speak Polish. Not sure you would be actively welcomed either but you won't be the only foreign person there.

Isn't Angela Merkel going to participate?

Along with forum favorite Vova Putin, word is they'll sign a friendship agreement (on a bridge crossing the Wisła) and then repair back to Warschau and Варшава respectively to start municipal improvements.

Neither of his numerous admirers on this forum has ever thought of relocating to Vova's promised land for good.

Even Spike31 prefers London to Moscow, unfortunately ...

From what I've heard his most ardent supporters are Russians abroad, especially those who aren't very materially successful...

Of course you would be welcome to come. Many foreign Red Pilled participants, mostly from other European countries but not only, will be present on the Independence March in Warsaw.


I repeat:

Independence March is a grassroots movement built by regular Poles without any involvement from the government. That's what makes it so real and resistant to any possible political changes that may occur in the future.

That's what also makes some commentators in media so furious.

Since they cannot directly attack the government on this occasion they have to unload their frustrations on Poles marching on Independence Day and lose any credibility they ever had.


She may, but I think it's to late to make an accurate Merkel's pinata :-P

But why is it political in the first place?? To be Polish, or indeed any nationality, has nothing to do with politics. It's cultural. So the event should be a celebration of your culture,ancient, traditional and contemporary.


What in the name of all that's normal is Red Pilled??

Spike I agree that it is grassroots and of course you have every right to march. I do think thoigh that if undesirable elements from all over Europe attend then the organizers must pay for the policing costs.

Atch, what is completely normal in Poland, like patriotism and cultural conservatism, is considered "extreme" in some Western societies and called fascism or even nazism


"undesirable elements"? That's your personal opinion. For the match organizers the European people concerned about their cultural heritage are not "undesirable elements".

Or maybe you're talking about ANTIFA hooligans, which used to come to Poland from Germany to start riots and to interfere with a legal march?

Because everything is politicized in Poland...


It's from the Matrix (where Neo is given a choice of returning to his old life by taking the blue pill or discovering the true nature of reality by taking the red pill)

Itis now used as a cover term for a lot of things

blue pill - accept what people tell you and what you hear in the mainstream media

red pill - realize that a lot of what goes in the media is not really true and discover a new 'truth'

for example

Rotherham

blue pill version - nothing to see here (then finally the admission that a few totally random people of the male persuasion may have taken certain liberties with random people of the female persuasion but there's nothing to be alarmed at and maybe the police could have been a bit more quick about tackling the problem but what are you going to do? maybe it's all for the best....

red pill version - gangs made up overwhelmingly of muslim men (mostly of a pakistani background) systematically groomed and sexually abused young women from vulnerable backgrounds (most of whom where ethnically white English) and police and some government figures knew about it and did nothing because they were afraid of being called racist (which would effectively end their careers)

Well done! Could you perhaps write a
- blue pill version
- red pill version
of reporting the Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw?

Oh yes, I've seen the film many times, I didn't make the connection :)

Life is neither red nor blue of course. It's purple, as in a mixture of the two. But a purple pill has unfortunate associations :D


But what do those things mean in practical terms?

I'd have to pay more attention to it (I've really tried to ignore it and once even left the country to avoid thinking/hearing about it)

First draft might be:

Blue pill version: Oh my god, nazis and skinheads and riots and breakage, oh the breakage! Don't get me started on the litter!

Purple pill version*: Polish pride! Damn those Germans! And Russians! and Globohomos! Patriotism! God, honor and country! Soros must be really mad at us right now!

Red pill version: Big mess of a bunch of different groups, some of which are pretty dodgy and some of which aren't that bad or maybe pretty okay. Everybody freaks out either negatively or positively.

*Purple pill has different meanings, either partial red pilling or reverse blue pilling (uncritically believing stuff from sketchy news providers that aren't necessarily reliable) I tend toward the latter

There's also the black pill version: All is lost, we're all going to die, despair......

Lol last year there was a few dozen of them that tried to block the parade by sitting in the middle of the path. They were promptly hog tied and thrown into vans.

Well, let's start with a practical move of not letting millions of so called "refugees" into the country and changing our culture and demography forever.

And let's not forget about safety. The clash of cultures (gang rapes, terrorist attacks) in Germany has shown us that "multikulti" will be a violent and not a peaceful process.

So safety and cultural integrity.

Those are all very practical things.

Remaining a country with ZERO islamic terrorist attacks, women arent scared to walk alone at night, police dont have to tell women to avoid contact witg strangers and always be with atleast 1 other person, citizens arent told not to display a polish flag for fear of 'provoking,' child grooming scandals not occuring every few weeks, less violent crime, teachers arent raped by students as just occured in sweden, more resources for the native people, people arent forced to change their culture and customs i.e. forcing islamic teaching in schools and banning pork, less radical imams from the gulf states preaching jihad.. theres tons of practical things that come with being a socially conservative country that isnt keen on bringing in millions of third worlders.

See, sisters and brothers are sane. Why talk to government that isolates Poland from rest of Visegrad group members and Serbia?

Mostly it's about taking amphetamines and driving around in a 20 year old BMW that you bought from Germany.

@delphiandomine, you just keep making a complete fool of yourself with each consecutive post. If you didn't exist it would be necessary to invent you :-D

Isn't it impressive how this site appears to be full of people living abroad that are pushing the line of this being something that it isn't?

For so-called patriots, they seem rather eager not to pay taxes here.

Don't make me cry. Here, the cops protect the thugs. If you oppose a thug, you will end up in a van. Later, you will be lucky if the feds will not throw a book at you for violating thugs' 1st Amendment rights. Trump already upset the Honduran sewer and their version of the 5th Amendment. I am moving back.

Polish independence day celebrations are exactly what the day is about - celebrating Poland's independence, sovereignty, etc.... Each person celebrates that in their own way. Naturally it's a day where Poles express their patriotism.

Nope. The huge, huge majority take advantage of the free day by simply staying at home, huddle round the fire, and watch their herbs grow. I know - I asked a 1000 people sample.

I'm afraid patriotism needs to be about a lot more than that. It's not simply about freezing time and preserving a country in aspic, nor is that desirable.

Patriotism is about builidng a better society for your people to live in and that's done through government policy and the individual's sense of civic, social and moral responsibility. I don't consider a country to be 'safe' when a person can't cross on a pedestrian crossing for fear of being run over, and it happens all the time in Poland. Poland has shocking road safety statistics. A Polish person who wants to express patriotism in a practical way in their everyday life can start by making the roads safer, by driving at a reasonable speed, by driving for the road conditions, by using their mirrors, slowing down for junctions, stopping at pedestrian crossings, respecting other road users, respecting the lives of their countrymen.

Cultural integrity - what is that in practical terms? Do you mean the culture of 24 hour alcohol shop and sex shops?


That's one of the realities of modern Polish culutre than some posters can't accept. Added to the tradition of heavy drinking, there is an increasing use of recreational drugs and designer drugs. And there is a growing 'new rich' class of people under 35 who embrace all of the worst values of materialism with little regard for their communities or any desire to contribute to the common good. With the higher salaries and the 500 plus programme, there is also a burgeoning 'chav' culture in urban areas. Families living in tiny apartments with a wide screen tellly, a kick ass sound system and no table for the kids to do their homework on - oh, and the child has a laptop and smartphone and got a camera that cost a grand as their First Communion present. Working class kids walking home from school stuffing their faces on kebabs and other fast food is a common sight in Warsaw.

One of the major problems with Polish government and thus with society (regardless of who's in power) is a lack of good social policy. Real issues are ignored because it requires enormous effort and creative thinking to address them, especially over the long term. So things are started in a half-hearted, short-term way with minimum effort and never built on. There's a recurring pattern in Polish history of not being able to sustain anything for long enough to consolidate it. Not always Poland's fault, it's the nature of events that overtook it. But now that Poland is at the helm of its own nation, it's happening again and this time it's of their own doing.

Things have improved regarding the things you mention. Where I live cars almost always stop for pedestrians now (not the case a couple of years ago) and the culture of drinking has greatly declined since the end of communism. My first time in Poland, in the summer in the 1980s, there were drunk people passed out on the sidewalk or in parks all over the place (you could barely go a day without seeing one) and these weren't homeless bums they were dressed normally. I think last summer I might have seen one...

But social policy itself can only do so much and a lot of the problems you mention are unavoidable parts of increasing prosperity.


For Poland, it largely means deciding what to do without too much input from outsiders.

I'm not a native Pole but been living here for 9 years. My wife (Polish) and I would attend the march if I didn't have to go abroad for a few days unfortunately. To me, it's not a surprise if some foreigners want to join, as they love what Poland stands for in a 21st-century European context, where a new form of independence needs to be fought for. I belong to them, although in my case it has deeper roots. I belong to a generation whose grand-fathers fought the second world war and my grand-mother joined the Resistance against the Nazi invader (she was in a network whose mission was to unmask quislings and kill them). For me, it's easy to get along with people of similar culture in another country. And what some people will call nationalist on a despising tone is to me nothing more than just being civic-minded.

You won't find many civic-minded people on that march. They're the type of people who think that civic duty involves standing outside the local shop drinking beer.


So why on earth would you take part in a march that glorifies any form of fascism? Wouldn't it be better to take part in one of the hundreds of normal events on the 11th November without any fascist overtones? Many of the people who actually fought against the Nazis in Poland and their families are against these "nationalists", and for good reason.

Delphiandomine, I won't waste time debating more, you're just ridiculous. I've been on this forum for years, have read many of your posts, and I really wonder what you're still doing in this country if you dislike it so much!

So your grandmother supported the resistance so that you could support the ones who support what she was against.

Shame on you. Perhaps you should consider what she would think of her grandson supporting a movement that supports racism and hatred towards minority groups.