Polish Immigrants Leave America for Europe

Hopefully! Last time they recognized in hospital my teeth problem like a migraine lol

To claim the NHS is better than ever before is just wrong in my opinion. It has recovered from the appalling state that it had been allowed to lapse into but it is no where near as good as it was before that happened. vast sums of money have been injected into it but I question the effectiveness of that spending. The general level of managment (as opposed to clinical) expertise within the NHS is still not good enough to ensure that the money is spent wisely.

It can't quantify the state of the NHS. However, to say its on the point of collapse is plain wrong.

We agree on that:)

i plan on moving from the US to Poland if I manage to get fighter pilot training here. I'm thinking about a military career very seriously

#1 soccer, #2 Architecture and then i head to #3 Airforce if the first 2 don't work out

how does transferring from military occupations work out in Poland? From another country to Poland i mean.

Man sounds great I would love to live in Poland for a little bit however being an American born person I don't think I could live in Poland all my life unless the pay was so great and everything is cheaper. And I don't know why everyone goes to the UK, its expensive as hell. I mean your taxed to death there and everything is expensive. I don't even know how I'm going to survive in London for 9 days.

Um, wages are higher.
The average wage in the UK is now about £30K (about $58K) in London its much higher - about £45K. In Canary Wharf its averaging over £100K

could you provide a source for these figures please peter... they seem a little on the high side...

wow! I agree those figures are inflated. Of course there are high earners in London, but I would say the average wage was nearer to £20K.

The results of the 2006 ASHE show that median weekly pay for full-time employees in the UK grew by 3.7 per cent in April 2006 to reach £447. Median earnings of full-time male employees was £487 per week in April 2006; for women the median was £387.

Median full-time weekly earnings in London were £572, significantly higher than in other regions, where they ranged from £399 in the North East to £470 in the South East.

statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4153/is_20060815/ai_n16644 498

Ok, they are a bit on the high side. London average is £41.8K. Highest burroughs average £72K and £74K. Canary Wharf isn't mentioned separately in this article, but with 50% unemployment and an average wage of 72K its obvious wages are extremely high, the figure I read in the printed paper was over 100K.

One anomaly is Kensington and Chelsea, thwere is now way average wages are 33K, it commonly held to be the richest place in the UK. It has 17 of the top 20 most expensive streets. And this news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4319239.stm says average earnings are £65K over a year ago.

Ahh.. statistics..

Average salary vs. median: What's the difference?

An average salary or arithmetic mean is figured by selecting a group of people with Similar Profiles, adding up their salaries, then dividing this number by the total number of people in the group.

Average salary = Sum of all salaries/total # of Similar Profiles

A median is also known as the 50th percentile. Exactly 50% of people make less than the median and 50% make more.

these may be the official statistics.. but I dont think they are truly representative and may be misleading to some who might come here seeking work... it clearly also depends upon skills, qualifications and type of job. C'mon guys, stop quoting stats and get real.

If the average Pole turns up in London expecting to get a job earning £40K they are going to be in for a nasty shock.

expect to earn £5 an hour... anything above that is a bonus...

Of course not. I'm just pointing out that a lot of people do get very high wages. If you are unskilled and uneducated its minimum wage, £5.35.

Everyone I know working in City type jobs are earning £60-80-100K for IT jobs, but they have 10years plus experience.

but some poles in england work for lest money than 5 pound and they are happy ,,,with that!!!! also if you work 8 hours the y will work 16 for the same price

Well they should not be.

There are different levels of National Minimum Wage, depending on the age of the worker. The rates from 1 October 2006 are as follows:

* adults (which means people aged 22 and over) receive the full rate of £5.35 an hour (previously £5.05)
* a 'development rate' of £4.45 an hour is paid to workers aged 18 to 21 inclusive
* young people (those older than school leaving age and younger than 18, you're under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16) receive £3.30 an hour

Apprentices under the age of 19 are not entitled to the National Minimum Wage. Apprentices who are 19 or over and in the first 12 months of their apprenticeship are not entitled to the National Minimum Wage.

Peterwerg, what you say is true and I agree that people shouldnt work for less than the minimum wage.. however the reality is that many do, as they are desperate for work. I know of people in th UK (mostly Poles) who work for less than £4 an hour. Im not saying its right, but there are always going to be ruthless employers looking for cheap labour.. and there will always be those who wish to avoid paying taxes and are therefore prepared to accept such low wages.

the last week a man come to my work and say he was working for some poles mafia ,working with not pay and nothing.... them we report that. ....so you forgot to put about this people.

one think is cheap labour but please no mafias in england about this ....europe should be fight more about this problems .....i dont say i dont like the poles i only say that the poles are after to a dream who normally is not real and at the end finish like this man

??????? does anyone know what this Spaniard is talking about? answers on a postcard.

I think he's saying a 'mafia' is forcing a Pole to work for nothing. A phone call to the police should put a stop to that.

dont you mean we CANT all be wrong :)

yup :)

Aren't they leaving because of the vicious Polonophobia that is rampant in the US, including Canada? Just notice what vicious nonsense the US media psychopaths have been talking into the local public about Poland and the Poles. Besides, scores of people throughout the world seem to feel that the days of US power are numbered and something terrible - some horrific catastrophy - is going to happen soon in that part of the world. :) The Poles can be truly safe only in Poland !

hi everyone. the original topic got off a little bit, do you think? i have lived in us for the past 20 years...born and raised in poland tough. yeah, some poles have decided to leave, but someone mentioned it earlier - they never meant to make this country their permanent home anyway. i can't imagine returning to poland after 20 years here...the economic (and intellectual!) situation in us right now is pitiful ! most people are hurting one way or another...i am beginning to think that when going gets tough, poles like to "get moving"....isn't it why they left poland in a first place? i am not bashing! nothing wrong with looking for a "better life".... i think people leave because they can't assimilate here. things seem to be unstable in every part of the world right now...but most of us are "making it"...and will make it, no matter where we are. there are people who are loosing money here now, and those who are making it right now, despite the situation....it's the same in poland- there are those who are rising - and those who are barely surviving...maybe those who leave, belong where they go.....cheers to everyone!

So basically those of you who advocate going to or staying in the US are doing it for the money. You use another country for money while slagging it off.

Great character.

nah, it's because they just couldn't hack it here.

No probs with that.


go to scandinavian countries or western Europe and you will see what taxes are, lol.

Im seriously considering going back

who are you referring to??
anyone who says that they are not interested in "money" is a hypocrite. i am sorry. money is your basic need. most people make decisions where to live based on money. i am not talking about greed. i am talking about BASIC necessity. so i am not sure what you are talking about?....cheers