Hooligans in PRL times ... and Warsaw in 2012

Back in the 70s and 80s there were fights between "hooligans" (police in civilian clothing) and the police - that gave the green light for the ZOMO to go in and beat up anyone they felt like.

Things have changed now.

Unorganized hooligans now turn up with impeccable timing, act like they have been trained and wreak havoc - which of course makes excellent TV viewing on Russia Today (top slot this morning) and Polish TV stations. The only missing element was that the marchers didn't seem to get involved, which was a pity from the televisual aspect. Also a shame from the TV aspect was the absence of Kaczynski - if he'd been there we'd have had the full Punch and Judy show, with orchestrated boos from the increasingly state-controlled media.

People on the fascist march attacked the Police, there were no Agents provocateurs

Unorganized?

I would never call hooligans in Poland "unorganized". They are incredibly well organised groups - no matter people think about them, their organisational skills are second to none. Not a stone would be thrown without it being planned and controlled - in this respect, they are *far* superior to the antifa opposition.

Incidentally, there were plenty of hooligan rumbles during the PRL too that had nothing to do with the police or government.


Nice soundbite. Unfortunately, those of us without an agenda can plainly see that PiS were the ones who completely manipulated the media during their Government.

Your story sounds attractively realistic.

Unfortunately, while waiting to pay her last respects to the Smolensk crash victims my wife was witness to a strange series of events:

The scouts, who'd been organizing the queues, finished their hours of service and handed over to the city guards. The street cleaning machines were sent right through the middle of the lines of hundreds of people who'd been queueing peaceably for 10 hours and suddenly a group of hooligans appeared and started pushing and shoving in the lines that had been orderly for hours.

Unfortunately for the propagandists, the overwhelming mass of decent people restored order.

The hooligans weren't organized well enough, weren't violent enough or numerous enough. But their political intent was obvious and the press story would have been soooo good.

You mean the 170 scum who were arrested yesterday, all were innocent patriots?

Thanks for the provocation Sob. - good to know you're a searcher for information instead of a sloganiser shouting "Us" and "Them". I've had enough of people like you in my home town - Fascists, Trots and Islamists.

To answer your "question" - I have no idea who they are.
I have no idea who, apart from the Warsaw City employees, the people are who disrupted the queues waiting to pay their last respects to President Kaczynski.

I have no idea who the people are who were arrested over the summer when they attacked the Russian "march" which wasn't actually a march at all across the Poniatowski Bridge.

These things just simply don't get reported in depth. I'm not an avid watcher of TV or reader or the printed media - perhaps I missed something and you could help me by supplying a link to detailed info instead of a blanket style statement that "several dozen people have received fines of PLN 2,5000" which really doesn't tell us anything.

The thread title is provocative...

Zimny Lech is in Krakow :P

Just wondering...your wonderful fairy-tale...every square metre of that demonstration was covered by TV cameras - how is it possible nobody else did see it happen?

My thoughts entirely.

It's quite comical to see a troll describe the fascist hooligans as unorganised, especially since they managed to get round to inviting a delegation from Hungary. Disorganisation indeed.

Zimny Lech is in Krakow :P

There was widespread disgust at the way Saddam Hussein was executed. Even Americans, who could hardly be accused of loving him, found it frankly repellent. Death is a sobering experience and awaits us all. Laughing at the dead is foul. People who laugh at the dead should hang their heads in shame. Try telling your family a joke at Christmas about worms eating the flesh of your grandma.

I vaguely know a young girl who is absolutely traumatised by the very real fear that she'll have to go through the whole funeral process again.

why so many German nationals joined the protest? What do they have to gain?

Where did you find that?

ya see that's a huge problem in Poland, you take death waaaaaay too seriously. Death is just death, it's OK to joke about it.

Why people so easly ascribe certaine features or views to Poles? Isn't Varsovian an expat such as yourself, smurf?

No idea, but with a name like that I just presumed he was from the nation's capital.

I'll pass you a revelation: many expats on this site take as a nickname the name of a place the reside in, hence we have: Wroclaw boy, Wroclaw, Varsovian, warszawski, InWroclaw and so on

not much on imagination are they? :P

I always wondered if you were Belgian. I guess you aren't blue.

I saw a group of cops writing up a larger group of hooligans. Na Trakcie Królewskim. As my wife was buying something at a kiosk, I got closer to see what was happening. It was a briefing.


The first thing you noticed is that all have a nickname. You know, I watched a ducumenteary on the Syrian uprising. What ineptitude!

I remember as a scout reading "Wielka Gra" by Aleksander Kamiński. Its a 1942 manual for patriotic behavior in time of national crisis. Szare Szeregi.

I am Marouane Fellaini, so I suppose I am blue :)

And the second thing I notice is that they have total, unquestioning obedience to the leadership.

I may not agree with their politics, but if you watch a protest (that doesn't erupt into violence) by such groups - they are absolutely far more organised and cohesive than the extreme-left wing opposition.

More aggressive and insecure really, with a suspicious amount of time on their hands. After all - they only have their anger and stupidity, nothing else.

I was there on Sunday night. Quite the sight.
I have pictures and a write-up here: polishmeknob.blogspot.com/2012/11/independence-day.html

Anyway, it was pretty insane. I just don't understand why they're so angry!

I though you and that other leftus said the far right are strictly an online movement?

Could you give a link to any video fragment / newspaper article supporting your fairly amusing fairy tale?

Maybe they are tied of being ****** up by some weirdos in power.

Funny isn't it. It would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that some particularly weak-minded individual might actually believe it.