"We will not hesitate to shoot Kaczyński dead" - KOD Facebook page

For the benefit of KOD. Yet another slanderous allegation designed to revile and discredit the winning side. KOD/GW/Petru keep repeating the lies, insinuations and allegations over and over and over and over until Goebbels (of 100-time-lie fame) smiles up from his place down in hell.

I suppose that Goebbels guy you keep mentioning could always ask zimny Lech (perhaps gorący Lech would suit better) who is probably somewhere very close to him; both of them, along with Jaro and Macierewicz masters of dirty tricks.

So far we've had a fake death threat, a bomb scare and hacking - what next, burning the Sejm down and blaming it on their pro-democracy opposition?

But you are right about one thing - the PiS dirty tricks that keep misfiring are so blatant and see-through that they are very much to the benefit of the Polish pro-democracy opposition.

Except that it is actually a pro-bankster opposition incorporating clever manipualtive propaganda to delude "useful idiots" into believing they are marching for democracy. Any movement designed to revive dethroned elite by defintion cannot be billed as deomocratic. Reactioanry would be more appropriate.

You seem to be bent on fulfilling Goebbels' postulate and repeating "pro-democracy" 100 times as if that will turn it into reality.

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and resistant to all the utterly transparent dirty tricks (like fake death threats, bomb scares etc) from the type of Poles who resent the very existence of a pro-democracy movement.

A misnomer if there ever was one. But misnomers are needed if your'e a Stalin and want to get useful idiots like Picasso, Sartre and a few other support your purported "fight for world peace". If they were told they're actually supporting Soviet imperialism, they might not express such eager support. Same with KOD backers. If they were told they were actually defending the bankster-corporate stranglehold on Poland's economy, they might think twice.

I think you'll find that the pro-democracy protesters are from a far better-informed and intelligent demographic than the creeps who oppose them.

No, they only know what that Schechter bloke wants them to. They are incapable of independent thinking and blindly follow the Kosher Gazette.

Who? What?

I watched Fiddler on the Roof two days ago and loved it. What's your point ?

So did I've watched it at least 3 times over the years. Also "Roots", Too bad there has never been a similar Polish saga that would be screened world-wide and create a huge following.

Did you know Mateusz Morawiecki headed a bank just a few weeks ago ? Now he's prime minister Szydło's right hand. Why does PiS put 'banksters' like Mateusz Morawiecki in power ?

Banker + gangster = bankster. Morawiecki gave up a lucrative position and plasn to make use of his expertise, connections and contacts to serve Poland. His dad was and remains a true freedom-fighter. But the best proof of his integrity is that he backs PiS. When such euphemisms as "pro-business" and "market-friendly" were used about PO, they suggested not always above-board ties to Western corporate circles -- hand washes hand, preferential treatment, special consideration, backroom deals, etc. In PiS' case, they mean tapping into financial expertise for the good of the nation.

Remember: PiS = P(oland) i(s) S(upreme)!

Quoted for posterity.

Kornel Morawiecki is the guy who said good of nation is more important than law. That sounds suspiciously like Carl Schmitt, who paved Hitler's rise to power. It's really the same kind of argumentation. And because the nation doesn't know what's good for it, it will need a strong leader. I dunno, maybe Jarosław Kaczyński ?

Indeed. It shows that the "bankster" insult that PiS are trying desperately to stick on anyone and everyone is just yet another friend of Jarosław's.


One would argue that backing PiS is a good sign of lacking integrity, given the huge amount of ex-PZPR appointments made by PiS.


You mean "for the exploitation of the nation by ex-PZPR elites".

Bureaucrats believe that people should serve the law, the legal system is supreme. We've got some paper-obsessed people on PF who worship forms, slips, sheets. certificates, paragraphs, rules, regulations, procedures, etc. as if they were a value in and of themselves. But they were only meant to serve the people, not the other way round.

The people themselves decide the law. It's a basic principle that politicians should respect the law.

Morawiecki gave up his 2 mln a year job to work for the government, he won't be allowed to get back to commercial financial sector for years, likely forever. While Petru will likely end up with a lucrative position at one of the international financial institutions once his "job" is done. One has to be stupid even by PO/Petru standards to not see the difference.

That the current shower don't respect the law is a given - hence the pro-democracy rallies. That they are carrying out dirty tricks like fake death threats somehow seals the deal.

That wasn't PiS, that was the (not yet registered) openly pro-Putin party Zmiana. They have their own KOD impersonating group on Facebook and claim they are the real KOD. Russian trolls are fanning the flames.

wyborcza.pl/1,75478,19369931,trolle-z-proputinowskiej-partii-mateusza-piskorskiego-podszywaja.html


So he thought he got a better deal. I don't see how this is a sacrifice. Similar to how Wojciech Jasiński, poseł PiS discarded his Sejm membership for a cozy position as the head of Orlen. Yes, 3 days ago he became the chairman of the huge petrol retailer.

Wojciech Jasiński is 67 years old. He was a member of Sejm since 2001. He has very little business experience, mostly in communist era in copartnerships like "Społem" and Spółdzielnia Transportu Wiejskiego, as well as Srebrna (strong ties to PiS, including Jarosław Kaczyński). He wasn't chosen in a contest, he was appointed. He was also a PZPR member, and he joined after 5 the pacification of the worker protests in December 1970. At the time PZPR was changing the PRL Constitution, adding gems like "PZPR has the principal role" and "unbreakable polish-russian friendship".

No, he didn't!


You sound like a liar

Yes, he did.
"Prawo to nie świętość." (Law is not sacred.)
"Nad prawem jest dobro narodu." (Good of nation is above law.)
"Prawo, które nie służy narodowi, to bezprawie." (Law which doesn't serve nation, is lawlesness.)



Good of nation... I wonder who decides what's good for the nation ? Maybe PiS ?

Supporters of democracy talk about society. Supporters of authoritarianism prefer the word nation.

Maybe the pro-bankster lobby known as KOD?

One can see that the idealism gene is totally absent from your make-up. The thought that someone could do something not for personal profit but for a higher cause never seems to occur to you.

What higher cause is served by putting somebody who has absolutely no experience in the oil & gas industry, no experience in industry at all and very little experience in commerce at all in charge of the largest oil refiner in CEE? And how are the interests of the shareholders of that company, i.e. us, served by such a clearly purely political appointment?

As in the authoritarian USA: One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all!

How about... voters ? Why do you hate democracy so much ?

Amen!

I wonder the same. PKN Orlen has been doing very very well in recent years - the company was well on the way to becoming a powerhouse in the oil industry. I believe that Orlen was even expanding in Germany! That will all go out of the window with such a leader, just like the cousin of Kaczyński will destroy the State Forests through mismanagement and greed.

PiS clearly stand for the worst sort of nepotism.

Yeah kid, as they bought a chain of gas stations there... in 2003.

They went into the streets shouting "Democracy and freedom" over and over as if Goebbel's 100-time lie tactic could make it true. But behind the façade it soon became clear that it wasn't democracy they were defending. It was all about the unholy dynamics between ex-communist and liberal politicians, foreign interest groups and mainstream media. They all benefit by the billions extracted from that partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the Polish nation as a whole. Average Poles get ripped off, they're the suckers, losers and victims who lost out on the transformation. But for once the corrupt crony clique now feel threatened and frightened, and that accounts for the vicious scorn they keep endlessly pouring on the PiS government. That truly pro-Polish government could upset their cosy apple cart and, heaven forbid!, spread some of the benefits to the the majority of Poles who have so far been disadvantaged and underprivileged. Who will win: the clique or the Polish nation? That still remains to be seen!

What do you think of prof. Kieżun's opinions on the subject:



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The situation in the crucial for Poland years of transformation was also described in the book by Noami Klein: the Shock Doctrine: