"We will not hesitate to shoot Kaczyński dead" - KOD Facebook page

Quite. Interesting that with all the lies (like the incident ever ended in the thread title) and false rhetoric emerging from the PiS flappers there's nothing at all about "foreign subversives". Why? Aside from the pro-democracy rallies being entirely legal and far from subversive, almost none of the participants are foreign - they are all Poles. Poles of the best sort.

But the undesirable aliens aka expats are foreign subversives.

Don't worry Polonius, I rather enjoy the "foreign subversive" tag. If PiS ever brand me as such, I'll wear it as a badge of honour :D

It's certainly better than 'foreign collaborator'.

Sorry to interrupt your mud slinging, but apparently the fake KOD facebook page has been set up by the Zmiana party. The openly pro-Putin party with stars like Mateusz Piskorski, who advocate joining the Eurasian Union.

One of admins of the fake KOD fpage is £ukasz Gajewski, a member of Zmiana council. Here's what he says about Polish media:


Another admin is Tomasz Jankowski, a secretary in Zmiana. There are also Tomasza Trump , Jarosław Augustyniak etc.

A bunch of other people who are clearly pro-Putin but not directly tied to Zmiana: Mariusz Lorbiecki and Kamil £ugowski.

The bottom line is they claim to be THE real Komitet Obrony Demokracji, report the original KOD as impostors, etc. Facebook doesn't do anything about it. Those Russian trolls say what right-winged media want to hear, so right-winged media report it.

Well well well. The fake one is used by a lot of the more offensive right wingers in Poland, so for it to actually be a front for Zmiana is quite interesting.

you are not making any sense, Kijowski this dude wearing dresses didn't want the police investigating so your claim that it was a fake is just a claim, he is a nutter and cannot be trusted.

That zimina party nobody ever heard about could be fake in itself for what we all know and her claims worthless.

stop disinformation Borsukrates

What are you talking about? Everyone knows about the fake KOD profile, but the fact that it's actually been set up by Zmiana tells us everything we need to know. In fact, it all makes perfect sense - Russia absolutely does not want a strong opposition movement in Poland for the fact that PiS are doing a splendid job of wrecking relationships with the EU/NATO, and Putin knows that a PiS-controlled Poland is significantly weaker than one run by the opposition. Therefore, discrediting KOD is actually heavily in the Russian interest, hence why the Russian media has been rather quiet about the demonstrations.

It's pretty clear that supporting PiS means supporting Putin.


You've been out of Poland far too long, Ironside. Everyone knows about Zmiana and their open pro-Putin policies.

The "Zmiana" party is not oficially registered, because prosecutor's office is still investigating claims Zmiana forged signatures required to register it. Now we know what "Dobra zmiana" Szydło spoke of is about.

I like reading comments by Russian trolls, because they basically tell you what Russian regime fears the most. Russian trolls don't criticize PiS because PiS is playing into their hand. Both groups share values and use the same language. The only thing dividing them is history. But your insistence that the second KOD facepage is real and Kijowski really wrote that stuff himself shows that you get along with russian trolls really well!

Well, Russians are understandably terrified of KOD. It's the first real citizen's movement in a while in this part of the world, and if it succeds, it will give the Russian people hope that they can do the same there. On the contrary, PiS is doing everything "right", including ensuring that Poland will be financially unable to move when Putin makes demands regarding energy prices.

Christ :))))))) No words.

You think Russia wants any sign of a citizen's movement on their doorstep, especially after the last one succeeded in Ukraine?

hahahahaha!


Yeah with the Stalin himself, a pathetic tactic! Does it works for you?


Conspiracy theories and flying unicorns what next?


:DDDD hahahahah gees delp thanks for the laugh!
They are scared shytles they should demand from Putin what is left of the Polish state plane, at the same throw they would destroy PiS narration about PO and Smolensk.

The source article is here:
wyborcza.pl/1,75478,19369931,trolle-z-proputinowskiej-partii-mateusza-piskorskiego-podszywaja.html

Speaking of returning the Tupolev wreckage, Russia won't do that. They wouldn't do that even if there was ZERO proof of assassination. The reason is, keeping the wreck in Russia is fueling the Polish-Polish war.

If you are hoping for a "success" like in Ukraine, then indeed you should be immediately deported.

No-one is fuelling the Polish-Polish war more effectviely than the KOD gang and the "useful idiots" who support them.
Dogs may bark, but the caravan, Poland's demcoratcially elected government bringing justice to the nation after years of elitist abuse, moves on.

Actually it's president Duda, Jarosław Kaczyński and kaczyści. Duda has said he will be president of all Poles. He doesn't act like one. Both him and Kaczyński call everyone who disagree with them traitors, commies, worst sort of Poles to name a few. Kaczyński has said stuff like criticizing Catholic Church is anti-Polish and he will force even atheists to admire the Church. They condemn Jews, gays, muslims.

You don't say stuff like that if you want to be president of all Poles. Or maybe if you love the True Scotsman fallacy:

- All Poles like PiS.
- Jacek doesn't like PiS.
- Yes, but he's not a true Pole.

That way you can change the rules as you go.

PETRU HAS MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED!
No-one has seen him on TV for over an hour!


It will be only if the KODist Petruites backed by Goebbelsesque Michnikites keep bashing, slamming, discrediting, undermining, subverting and sabotaging the democratcially elected Polish government. THAT IS WHAT WILL PLAY INTO PUTIN'S HANDS! IT IS POLES AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS UNABLE TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND WASTING ALL THEIR ENERGY ON MUTUAL RECRIMINATION WITH LITTLE LEFT OVER FOR ANY CONSTRUCTIVE EFFORT. KEEP THE ANARCHY SIMMERING AND KEEP PUTIN LOL AND RUBBING HIS DIRTY PAWS WITH GLEE!

Good to see you churning out the insults, really shows the fear PISites have of the pro-democracy movement.


Isn't it a bit early in the day for that?

A joke going round Warsaw: This year on Christmas "Kevin home alone" will not be shown. Instead it will be: PETRU ALONE ON TV!

Yep, that's that cat Duda.

An anymous caller said someone planted a bomb near Sejm. That's why the demonstration in Warsaw was dispersed.

More dirty tricks - they really will stop at nothing and making bomb scares (as well as closing off ul. Wiejska with a crane) just doesn't help Kaczynski's cause one little bit.

Still, the number who turned out at the start was good and s big contrast to the one-man 'counter-demonstration'.

Who? Do you have any evidence? Are you talking conspiracy theories by any chances? Do you remember what you used to say in such a case? Take down your tinfoil hat, in this case three-pronged hat.

Cui bono ?

Exactly dress wearing KOD mongering slay customers made the call themselves to make most out of it in the media.
Need I remind you that call whether continue that protest or not was up to the organizers?

Precisely - I suspect the origin of the anonymous call will remain, as with so much else about PiS, murky...

By KOD. Blame your opponent because that would seem to be the obvious thing and no-one would suspect KOD of sabotaging their own Muppet Show. But knowing the shady types involved in all the stage-directed commotion, no-one should put it past them. They will stop at nothing to discredit the lawful government of the land.

The guy who coined the term "IV RP" is critical about Jarosław Kaczyński. Right winged publicists are having second thoughts. Law about Służba Cywilna is making things worse. They even point out Piotrowicz acts like opportunist. Kaczyński causes conflicts, but dialogue and teamwork is needed to make changes. His behaviour disrupts trust.

wsieci.pl/zly-czas-dla-kasandry-pnews-2586-page-1.html

That, Po3, is maybe the lamest excuse so far. As Borsukrates said, "cui bono".

Please use the demonstrations thread for demonstration posts

Fair enough - perhaps modify the thread title to something like "dirty tricks by PiS and their supporters" - that would cover hacking, pretend death threats, bomb scares and all the rest?