Giant Jesus Rising in Świebodzin ( Tallest in world )

Your pathetic attempts at disparaging Catholics and bellitling our faith do not impress me.
I find such exhibits of ignorance and idiocy to be truly lamentable. Oh, well - I guess you're
a typical product of modern popular culture in its lowest, most primitive form.
Your choice - have fun watching "Jerry Springer Show", while I read Jacques Maritain's books
and contemplate an extract from St. Thomas Aquinas writings :)

I think you greatly overestimate others' passion on this subject. :)

Hey, you're the one who was trying to tell me I would probably go to Hell for making jokes about a non-existant statue.


Who's exhibiting idiocy and ignorance here I wonder?


Don't pretend to know anything about what happens after we die, because you don't. The only reason I asked Filios that question about a statue of Lucifer is because if he expects people to accept all these statues of Jesus everywhere, then he should be ready to accept other statues aswell. He seems to be dishing it out all the time, so I was wondering if he could take something.


Ah, you think you know something I don't? Maybe you should ask the Ebionites or the Ebionim what Yeshua has taught them, and has told them about himself. If it makes you happier to contemplate on whatever someone else writes then that's cool, just try to remember you're nothing special, and don't know anything I don't. I have little respect for people who pretend to know something, while they're actually insulting my intelligence all damn day. I don't watch Jerry Springer either.

xD

calm down... are you PMSing....hehe...

i just think that there are better ways to spend that money... people need it... what about the flood victims... i think a "re-payment"/satisfaction is much greater that way... if the statue is about hope and such, well, we got churches in Poland on every corner...

Which is clearly not enough for these jerk offs.

:)

Erm... no, I wasn't. I merely stated that if you really want to see Lucifer, then eventually you will.

Read my original post again, if your reading comprehension fails you :)


The answer is simple - you are (with your disparaging and bellitling remarks, aimed at
ridiculing Catholic faith.)


Oh, please - don't treat what I have written as an insult. I was just making a... well, let's
call it a diagnosis based on statistical data. It is possible that you are NOT a complete and
utter idiot and that your intelligence is, in fact, higher than that of an average refrigerator.
Quite possible, I'd say.

However, experience on countless internet fora has taught me that people who try to
bellitle Catholic (or Jewish, Buddhist, Protestant etc.) faith, with jokes similar to those
with which you favoured us, are usually complete ignoramuses (to put it very mildly.)

Oh, well - statistics can be deceiving sometimes, I guess :)

It's funny the way those who never throw even a buck/quid in the collection plate balk at how others are spending their money, be it on churches or monuments or whatever. These are probably the very same people who eagerly squander their own cash to make the filthy rich beer barons, gadgetmongers, fashion freaks, druglords and celebrity types even richer. Somehow they never say that money could be better spent helping flood victims or hungry kids!

Spot on, Polonius.

That's the important bit. This is a privately funded statue. It just so happens to be a 33m gigantic Jesus....

Look, if you can't even be straightforward about why you're implying something, then we really don't have much to discuss, do we? Still, the fact remains that you don't know anything about what happens after we die, so how you can make such ridiculous claims without seeing yourself as a complete fraud will have to remain a mystery to me.


Oh really? I am belittling and disparaging your faith because I don't like to see your religious symbols everywhere? (Your faith is personal, and these symbols simply aren't.) To you, it may be a wonderful statue, but to me such symbolism represents the mental and spiritual oppression we've been suffering for far too long. If that's an insult to you, then so be it. Just remember that statue is an insult to me, because I don't see it as a symbol of love and peace, but I see it as a symbol of an institute which committed countless of crimes against humanity. (And I actually have history on my side to prove me right.)


I have more respect for Buddhists. Know why? They don't feel the need to ventilate and impose their ways on everyone all the time. They have their temples and their own special places, but they don't go around town bothering people with their lecturing and planting their statues everywhere.

And although that question may have seemed like a total joke to you, it still was a serious question. So I'm going to ask it again: How would you feel about a 35 meters high statue of Lucifer in your town? Would you accept that, or not? Simple question, right? Since you expect everyone else to like your statues, I'm very curious about your own willingness to accept something you probably totally disagree with.


I guess you're the one who believes refrigerators actually have intelligence. It's needless to say that I don't, but..

;)


Just like it's funny how you're assuming and implying that those people who don't, never make any donations or decide to help other people.


I know one thing for certain: My money isn't spent on child-molesters.


Someone already said so.

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They are building a big Jesus with private money, it will probably be good for the town....its something to look at. You dont have to be Catholic or other Christian to like it. I am not of any religion but do like looking at cathedrals, churches graveyards etc.

The only question I would have is how would I feel living next to it. Provided it wasnt casting too much of a shadow on my garden and had good foundations I wouldnt care.

Nobody KNOWS what happens after we die. There is a fine line between knowledge and faith
(that's probably why we have two separate words for them.)


I wouldn't call it "a claim". I simply expressed a prediction based on my faith (not "knowledge",
as you were smart enough to notice.)


Yes, with idiotic jokes like...



It's your problem, not mine. Poland is an overwhelmingly Catholic country, and if Catholics
in Poland want to build a huge statue of Jesus, on their own land, with their own money,
then it's nothing to you.


It is a statue of Jesus Christ. Now, please, tell us all about the countless crimes against
humanity that Jesus commited.


Very well, let's hear it. Or... on the second thought, no - let's not hear it.
I really couldn't be arsed answering for the hundreth time to the same old, primitive
liberal propaganda about the Holy Inquisition, the terrible oppressive church etc. etc.
It's just too boring.


Well, if 95% of people in my town were satanists and they were paying for it with their
own money, then, although I wouldn't like it, I would accept it without moaning like
a b*itch.

*of course, I would never live in such town, but I assume it was a purely hypothetical question :)*


You see - that's what I'm talking about. Primitive remarks like that, would certainly
keep Catholics, who are less patient than I am, from talking to you in a civil manner :)

and how can you be so sure, huh?



hey! lets raise some money and found a statue of Doda in Gdansk, so she can welcome incoming ships... i wonder what the reaction would be...lol

and please people, if you people have money to pay for some statue of that size, don't complain about financial difficulties and struggles in PL.... i'd appreciate it...

There are those who try to offset their anti-Judaeo-Chrisitian animosity by invoking some of that hippy-exotic guru-maharajah-nirvana-karma BS which they tend to idealise. Well, the Buddha statue destryoed by the Taliban a decade ago in Afghnaistan stood 55 m tall which certainly suggests megalomanic grandiosity. Just think of the thousands of poor, malnourished and ill-clad kids that could have helped!

Incidentally, at present nowhere are there as more relgious crimes (murders, destruction, pillage, house and church burnings, etc.) as is going on than in Hinduist India against Christians. Somehow PF is silent on that subejct. Reckon it doesn't fit the de rigueur PC mould.

because they made a dumb move, so we have to follow their steps?

Knowledge of life and an astute sense of observation come in handy here :)


Yes. Please, do it. Let's see if you anti-church people can actually do something substantial
and not only talk :) Yeah - let's see the statue of Doda. I'm waiting...


Not only PF, but also all the mainstream media in Poland.

it is an embarrassment..
And does it really symbolizes our religion?
Not mine.
My Jesus is a humble Jesus.

aw, you have to still work on it... :)


i give it to the kids instead... do you? :)


amen...

Erm... there is only one Jesus, you know. Humble you say? Well, in a sense he is,
but let's not forget that he was also able to be harsh and austere to pharisees,
for example, or merchants and money changers when he cleaned the Temple of them.

You all seem to forget that he is also A GOD and a King of all creation, and no
matter how big a statue we build, it will never reflect the fullness of his glory.
We can try though, and fair play to the good folks of Świebodzin for trying.

I am quite sure that God is pleased with their effort - just as I am pleased with my little
daughter's effort when she draws a picture of me on a piece of paper and gives the drawing
to me, because it means that she loves her daddy :)

Well done, Świebodzin - Jesus loves you! :)


Oh, fair play to you then. Give as much as you can to the kids. How many kids do you have, by the way?

She said that - it's just an oddity of how the indefinite article is used.

Historical curio: it was exactly to avoid potentially heretical misunderstandings like these that the progenitors of Old Church Slavonic decided that no articles of any kind would be inherited from the Greek.

this is the question, it's probably way more that for the most of you. My guess is that it opposes all those Stallins and Lenins you guys had to live with for so many years (correct me if I'm wrong here).

it may look hideous, it may look beautiful. all depending on opinion, but it will put the town on the map.

the same can be said for the Angel of the North (in the uk). but in the angel's case most locals hate it with a passion.

LOL! Are you now?

I'm quite sure of the opposite. I think it may well represent just about every one of the seven deadly sins.

That's what I mean, you use your faith as an excuse to tell other people what you don't even know yourself. It would be smarter (And wiser.) if you didn't.


Well, I certainly hope you're smart enough to notice your own words then:


Of course, the ''you will'' part being presented as some kind of absolute certainty.


Again, it is a lame joke, but it's also serious. I just mean to say that if you know everything about what happens after we die, then you should be able to tell me something about it, which you can't, which means you don't know anything I don't, which means you should keep your own insults to yourself aswell. I think you're smart enough to notice how you and some other people here constantly insult non-believers or non-religious people with the things being said, yet you guys act all surprised and semi-shocked when you get what you give.


Yes, and what I think about it will have to be your problem. Poland isn't as overwhelmingly Catholic as you make it out to be either, and you'll find that Poland will become less and less Catholic over time.


You simply can't deny that this is your religious symbol. You can't deny that countless of crimes against humanity have been committed by the Catholic church either. So this statue, being your religious symbol definitely represents the hold that Catholicism still seems to have over Polish society, which I vieuw as a backwards, oppressive and fascist ideology. So that'll have to be your problem then, since I'm not the one who's erecting statues of Humanitarians everywhere.


I find your Pope and his lecturing boring. Same old bullshit about how terrible all those non-believers are for not listening to him. Same old bullshit about how evil and wrong a society will become without their guidance. And you don't think that's belittling and insulting to adult people who can think for themselves?


I'm not talking about a majority here. It's not about the number of people who follow something, it's about the principle. I'm willing to bet that if I erected a statue of Lucifer in some village in Poland, someone would have my head for it. Yet such people are expecting others to accept everything they impose on everyone.


Yes, it was hypothetical. It could've been a statue of Lenin aswell, or even some Pagan Goddess. It's about the principle of acceptance here.


That's pretty hypocrite, because as you can see his remarks were equally primitive, and equally insulting, I just worded it stronger. But of course you've missed all of that, since he's telling you what you like to hear, and I'm not. (How convenient.)


See what I mean, Torq?

;)


Do you know what a Pharisee is, Torq? A Pharisee is someone like Benedict. Jesus had problems with establishment and organized religion. Ironically, it was this organized religion which persecuted him, twisted his words, changed history and turned the real teachings of Jesus into a total mockery with their version of the truth.


Oh really? Then why did Jesus tell his own followers and his own disciples that he wasn't divine, and that no one should worship him or even kneel before him? He was a Rabbi, a teacher, a healer and a mysticist. Ask the Ebionites, or the Ebionim. They know best. Jesus was the leader of the Ebionim, and his brother took it upon himself to continue his teachings after he was crucified. (In secret, because the Church of Rome was persecuting the real Christians and murdering them for their beliefs.)


Can you show me where Jesus has ever told anyone that he was King over all creation, or where he said that he was God? Jesus was a mortal man who died 2010 years ago, he wasn't crucified to save you or anyone else, he was crucified because he opposed the establishment of his time, and its organized religion. (Which transformed into the Vatican.)

;)

I know what happens.
Light out and that is it, no heaven no hell

Paul Landowski, known for the 1931 Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro, was born in Paris to Polish refugees of the January Uprising. Is the new statue to be taller than that one?

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key word here, humanity,, which has committed crimes against each other no matter
what denomination you are and or if your a believer or non believer.

personally seeing the statue go up vs a missle shield that was talked about in another
topic is better.

hey, maybe they are going to put up that statue to hide one ?? ya think?

:)

did you know that the US government hides the Transformers in the Hoover dam? lol ;)

lol they store robot vacumes in there too :)

True, but I'm convinced that once we'll get rid of all these superstitions, stigmas and lies which tend to cause quite a few problems between people, that there will be less bloodshed eventually. People will learn more about themselves and their surroundings over time. I like to think that with knowledge and understanding go hand in hand, and that with understanding comes respect. (One day!)


Hey now, I do agree with that one.


Jesus with a missile in his pants? You think? (Look what you're doing! Now I'm having dirty thoughts about shooting something.)

xD