GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!

I believe heritage is something to be treasured...I mistrust so called "cosmopolitans" abit...people without roots and homes....not my cup of tea.

Nationalism in itself isn't something wrong as long as it's about treasuring and securing ones people past, present and future, then it's a good and healthy thing!

It get's disturbing if it becomes a kind of competition with others...I agree...that to often ends in blood and tears!

Why must you mistrust someone just because they are Cosmopolitian, Bratwurst Boy. You stated you don't care to live that way, and that's fine, but others like it and have no problem with it.

Austrians made up their "Austrianness" after WW II when it wasnt such hot sh*t to be German anymore. The "German germans" at least admitted their guilt.

Austrian nazis were even worse thanl German nazis.

Even if, doesn't matter. Language is not deciding factor even today.

When the Germans formed their national identify?

good point
anther one:

How can one germanize a dead person? I don't think it is possible.

Year 09 A.D. during the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest against the roman legions!!!
GERMANIA WOULD STAY FREE! :)
Arminius became the earliest folk hero of the Germans...
(The Siegfried of the Nibelungen saga)

Well...and Kopernikus was quite clear about it too:

No relation to the magazine.

Nonsense :) How many times they fought against 'themselves' till Bismark?

Good point, it might be sometime around German unification ?

But you are right that language isnt necessary for national identity, Irish wont be English even though they speak the same language.

But own language certainly helps building a nations identity for example in Northern Europe, there is no chance that Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Finland for that matter, would form an union anymore.

I am packed and just before my travel to Kopanica :)

If Bratwurst vison became true what we are going to do with this (example) all Szulc (in German Shultz) families ... and what about eastern German families.

Szulc families in Poland: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/szulc.html

I think we have a little bit different national consciousness but if europe goes in this direction we must think about changes and more "slavic" picture of our country. If they are Germans ...

That's unlogical...without a german nationality before there wouldn't had been a unification wanted! Why not saying "5 years back"...."yesterday"???

It's interesting to read these misconceptions about Germany by foreigners...:)


Have fun in Köpenick! It's a nice, green district...:)


Schultz is the 254th most common surname in Germany

nachname.gofeminin.de/w/nachnamen/nachname-schultz.html

(Doesn't sound polish though...)


Well...Arminius got killed later by his ow men.

Much later protestants killed catholics and vice versa till 1/3 of the german people
were dead and the land wasted...

Doesn't mean a thing about national consciousness!

We have simple different national awareness than you Bratwurs. I am not Szulc. I have how to say it ... let it be "slavic" name I am slav :)

If we folow your vision of heritage and nations we are going to have troubles. I feel that Poland has different national indentify (from centuries) than Germany.

I prefere Polish national awareness.

Poland has 130 Koperniks (all the time in Toruń)

Germany has 22

Kopernik is more Polish

You asked about the Schultzes...you are bringing up these topics again and again...you are making the problems (and getting into troubles all the time)...and you are looking ridiculous! :)

And how "national awareness" can be different is beyond me...either you have it or not!


Well...you are a Pole! :):):)

God are you a stupid guy Luki! LOL

Poland has 130 Koperniks (all the time in Toruń)

Germany has 22

You see ... Kopernik is more Polish than German :)

You should look for Kopperlingk...
Kopernikus is the latinized form for Kopperlingk...a family name for someone handling copper (Kupfer), as it was custom for german families to get their names by their professions.

And to latinize their name was fashion between the intelligentsia of that time...

...but we repeat now old arguments which are already answered and discussed during this thread as you very well know Lukasz. Don't be more the idiot than you need to be...

So why do you think you've got some right to lecture us what we should think ?


Very true. And they still claim to be "the first victim of nazis" with a straight face.

I've read many books on the preliminaries to World War 2, and many portray the annexation of Austria, as "The Rape of Austria." Quite amusing.

I wonder, if Austria was 'raped' then Poland was...?

It's the fault of the allies actually!

After WWI the victors separated Germany from Austria with the Treaty of Versailles and FORBADE every re-union...fearing a strong german empire again.
Well, that didn't sat well with the folks as everybody could see later with Hitler marching into Vienna with triumph and his troops being greeted with flowers.

After WWII they did it again but this time with giving the Austrians (who were really good Nazis) the way out with "You stay away from Germany and we abolish you of any guilt"...and it worked better.

But the reason for that was the same...to weaken Germany!

I can't find anny in Germany :)

To be honest I think Kopernik is his original name but he used different latin or German forms in writting like all Poles when there was no Polish laguage in writting. When you use search for Kopernik and you know that his father moved from Kraków and you see that this name is easy to find in Kraków Toruń and Gdańsk ... his father was businessman ... Vistula river ... trade ... Gdańsk Chełmno Kraków :)

Think bratwurst think and use this tool.

Koper has meaning in Polish language - "dill" :)

and think what we need to do with this non-slavs in our country... Poland is not africa but we have so many "non slavic names" and what do you think we should do with this people...

See you after weekend ...

discussion to be continued :)

My lineage is Schultz on my father's maternal side of my family. When they lived in Poland, the records list them as Szulc. They spoke platt (low German), and considered themselves ethnic Germans and were Lutherans.

My understanding of that name is that it came from something similar to a village mayor who collected lease-rents for the noble. The term comes from the Hollandry system of farming. Originally Dutch, but then came to be applied to all ethnic Germans who farmed in Poland. They were Lutheran. After WWII most were expelled to Germany, but there are members of the family still in Poland who are now completely Polonized and Catholic.

Same thing with my Edling line. I am in contact with a Catholic priest who has done his genealogy and knows that before WWII his family spoke low German and were Lutheran.

Same with a cousin of mine who has Leichnitz family in Poland who now use a spelling something like....Lejchmic. They all trace their lines back to ethnic Germans but consider themselves Polish. And they have married Poles since then. So ethnicity is very fluid. The genes and culturization are two different things.

Many ethnic Germans knew they were German, but considered themselves Polish in the same sense that I am half Polish and half German, but my citizenship is in the USA. They were Polish by nationality, but German by ethnicity.

This may have been the case with Copernik. In any case, I doubt there was such a strong sense of what country you were from back then. Nationalism is a fairly modern thing.

Doesn't mean they don't exist!


Well...you think many things but it's mostly crap anyway so...who cares...


Tell me...can't wait what you come up with? Expelling them again???


Yeah...I'm waiting for it like for my next car accident....

This (pan-germanism) was something close to pan-Slavism , some propagandists spread such idea and with time it succeed. BB, do you want to say that Germany was united democratically? :)

Well...in Germany we have the saying "People voted with their feet"!
It doesn't get more democratic than that...

But tell me...why are you discarding the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald as a sign of clear national consciousness?

Arminius was educated as a roman officer, the loose, separate from each other living tribes should have only cared for their own...but they didn't....it was THEM against US!

What do you think that "US" meant for these people (which shared the same customs, the same language, the same culture)

Tell me please!

Those are good points you made SS, but it won't stop the "boys" from wrestling over it! :) hehe

Hi Shopgirl, thanks...and yes...I am sure you're right about the "boys" continuing to wrestle over it. Had to chuckle a bit when BB responded to Prince that he looked forward to their next exchange as he does his next car accident. :-D

You girls are just the better men...:)

Awwww..... :-)

Actually Austria was regarded as defeated state in WW2 and participated in war reparations.Austria was annexed by Germany during Anschluss and the annexation was officially recognized by GB and France by the treaty of Munich which was valid till 1945.

Actually since the Russians conquered Austria it should have been their spoil too...they were lucky that the allies preferred a neutral Austria cracked away from core Germany...so who cared about justice and punishment!

Why do you think you got some right to keep everyone out of your country and keep Copernicus all to yourself?