GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!

Guys, I think we've awakened a sleeping German. Not good by any means.

Do you know that Poland in middle ages has been considered (wrongly) by many people Germanic country. Wends ... Vandals ... Vinland ... Poland etc.

Later it has changed but in middle ages there were different interpretations. Not only those presented by hitler and later by communists in movies about bad Germans and good Slavs.

Maybe we can dig up what's left of the old chap and do a DNA test? would that make everyone happy? :)

i think that discussion is pointless here, because there is not a Pole who would agree with BB that Kopernik was German...

And the rest of the world knows he's Polish.
Just save your breath.

Which DNA is German ?

which would you prefer? :)

The same as you will find Germans very surprised about this polish claim to german Kopernikus!

Maybe our two countries are just not "relaxed" enough yet to share him!


Yup, that's why this uproar about the name of the space program, right? :):):)

Interesting, because in 2005 they found a body which they believe is Copernicus' in the basement of a POLISH church. They are now trying to find some other deceased relatives of Copernicus to make sure that it is him, and then they can do a DNA test. Until then, neither Poles or Germans will give in.

I think there are two sets of values here.

One is place of birth.

Two is family lineage.

For those who find place of birth to be the most important...he would be Polish.

For those who find lineage (ancestry) most important, he would be German.

Us poor Ammies.....that just leaves us with lineage!

No children!

But they could reconstruct his face (looks mightily german to me):

spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,383133,00.html

Does so not look slavic:

spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,grossbild-537970-383133,00.html

Oh yes Soldier in Polish army fighting against Germans ...


He has Polish nose.

do you mean that most of americans should call them selves Irish, scottish, german, polish etc? no, they are americans, they were born in the us... we are not talking about ancestry, but about one person, born in Poland and called a Pole...


oh, cmon....

We can do this as often as you want....:)


No really....ur-germanic features!!!

You can do better than that can't you BB? After all your arguing, you leave it down to some facial reconstruction, which in any event, doesn't look entirely Germanic to me either. DNA will solve it.

We say "Irish-American", "German-American", "African-American"...etc.

You should start to read better fili....no DNA testings to compare...he had no kids!

PS: And arguing makes not much sense anyway, it goes like that:

His mom was a german, Barbara Watzenrode....he is still polish

The town where he was born was german till shortly before his birth...See? Full blooded Pole!

His father was probably german too....hence the original name Kopperlingk....he is still polish

He visited german schools and wrote only in latin and german ...bah, still polish

He had a sig in every manuscript which proves his nationality...quack, he supported Poland against the T.O., that shows clearly he was Polish, basta!

There is no real discussion when all arguments are ignored!

Nah....everyone will still argue about the percentages in the "pie chart"! Mark my words! :)

hmmm... that's also interesting, because most of americans are not sure about their own ancestry...they have an idea, but it's not enough...

I know my ancestry. We can trace my grandfather seven generations to Ulster, Ireland. :)

? But he certainly must have deceased relatives laying about somewhere, most likely in POLAND.

BB look on his nose. Very Polish nose. Germans always point on Polish noses and say that we look like goose.

Look on Kopernik

He is very Polish.

Filios, you've got Polish ancestors, right? so do you consider yourself Polish or Greek?

There is proof Copernicus was NOT German. He did not unconditionally obey, follow orders or march to the tune ordered by the supreme authorities - the Roman Catholic Church. That's what Germans do best. Well organized machines.

Copernicus called the Church's bluff and told them like it was with the Sun and Earth and things. In short, he rebelled, therefore he must have been Polish.

You're a little b**ch you know that? You say that we should share Kopernik. So why did the krauts have to Germanize it totally? I guess you can buy anything in politics. You guys always had more people in Germany to influence Europe. The Polish politicians wanted to keep it in the Latin name Copernicus so it'd be more international. But it was Germanized. This is why Poland will never be real friends with the krauts. There's no point. At least the rest of the world agrees with us. At least the history books won't be changed.

Does anyone know if this name has been officially changed or is the debate still ongoing??

That's really funny, ZD.
And I thought you were the god of facts.
*shakes head*

Nah...Slavs have roundish heads...not so long, quadratic skulls like germanics!


There is proof he WAS German: Exceptionally smart with scientific talent and precision skills...:)

(And I bet he was good at football too)

BB? Do you have a square head? :)

This indeed, does not really matter though, bracie. This area between Poland and Germany is so grey that a lot of interbreeding must have occured throughout the centuries. What would help would be a DNA test to test the percentages and find what shows up the most.


My father is Polish, my mother is Greek. I am proud of my Greek heritage, but I was born in Poland and was raised a Pole. So I consider myself Polish.


This is a low blow. But what can you expect from a German?

At least not Slavic, roundish! :)


Which one?


Heeeey....what did I say??? :)