GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!

Yes so called by you Germans sponsored Polish army to kick Germans and Kopernik was on Polish side.

That's nice for Anders and yourself....but we are discussing Kopernikus here!

What I don't get is this polish claim of sole representation! Why this total denying of his german roots? We could share him, why don't you want to???


So political allegiance changes race, culture and heritage??? Do you mean that???

and it all started because of an eu space program? why did't you want to germanize Kopernik earlier?

Because there wasn't a need to "germanize" a German.
And on the other hand I'm sure most Germans were surprised to read the polish claims
on him....I remember I was!

(If I remember it correctly it was here on this board....)

No, but you were arguing because he signed his name in German, he was obviously German. So why can't political allegiance be at least at the same level as some scribbling in pen at the end of a document?


Not well, actually.
So convince me that Teutons were an unwanted presence in Germany...

Christ I'm tired... why do Germans have to be so stubborn and always want everything their way?

hmmm.... they were teaching me at school, from early years and i'm not that young, that he was Polish...


well, maybe i wouldn't say that i was surprised, but shocked is more appropriate...

Race ? What do you mean by Race ? Half of Prussian citizens prefered Poland than Theutons. They have sponsored Polish army made uprise and Kopernik was on the Polish side in this war he studied in Cracow. The most propably he had mixed ethnicy. What do you mean by race ? They prefered Poland.

He supported the Poles against the Teutonic Order but signed his books (the same books which founded his glory) with his commitment to his germanhood....such things happens!

As I said, politics is one thing - heritage another!


Did you go to school in Germany?


Erm...you know...Germanics on one side / Slavs on the other side...that kind of thing! :)


Suuuure....JFYI, my family is one of the german families (was) living for centuries in what is now Poland and believe me, we NEVER preferred Poland!

I believe the point she is making Bratwurst, is that only in Germany do they teach you he is full blooded German. In all the rest of the world, including here in Greece, it was taught he was a Polish astronomer. A Polish citizen. No political or cultural allegiances attached!

On which reasons? Seeing your arguments I doubt they did teach you much...
The only argument FOR Kopernikus' polishness is his political allegiance, that is not much, sorry!

And I don't buy that "the whole world knows he is polish" argument!

First, it's wrong and second every bio I read acknowledges that he is at least of mixed heritage!

And lastly...why all that fuss with the space program if the whole world knows it should say "Copernicus" and not "Kopernikus"...right? Right!

no, that's why i know he is Polish... they thought you, in your german school, that he's german?
well, so it goes much deeper then a few websites you provided here...
i wonder how it will be solved...

Exactly, so why do Germans always have to take it for granted that he was fully German, and had allegiance only to Germany, when he in fact had Polish blood? Why the sudden change of heart to change history books?


No, probably not to the level that they taught you in Hitler Jugen school.

I told you how...between normal countries such things can be shared...Germany would be willing, Poland is not, so they will get nothing!


No "sudden" change! Whole generations were taught the same...

Which "polish blood"???

you don't know that...

i googled him and every single website says he's Polish, born in Poland...

Wasnt he born Feb 19, 1473 in Toruń?
Unless my geography is wrong..... thats Poland

Bratwurst, my German friend, and what in your mind, would be considered normal? Would your definition include sudden urges to change the history books when everything was just fine as it was?

Because he was born in what was then Poland!
And that is correct...

The same question to you....do you consider all the millions of Poles growing up in the german Empire as Germans because they were born in what was then Prussia???


Look above...

Watzenrode and Kopperlingk does sound so polish, right? :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

SO WHY YOU CALL HIM GERMAN AND WHY GERMAN NATIONALISM HAS BEEN BUILD ON HIS THEORIES? He never fought against Polish.


It is less complicated case than Kopernik.

Kopernik fought against the Germans ... on the Polish side.

Manno, you can keep Nietzsche if you want him! Satisfied? :)


Erm...Fili...Do you actually read what I write?
I repeat again...there was no "sudden" change...Kopernikus was always a german in our history books!

What about chancelor Merkel ? She is partly Polish.

You want her??? :)


Yes, lot's of 'skis fighted on the german side in WWII too....so what?

I think what he's getting at, is that Poles can claim Polish heritage on a number of German intellectuals, political figures and demand that the world recognize their findings, etc... But they do not, not at least, to the extent that Germans always seem to. Why can't you just sit still and relax?


No, you can keep that ugly beast.

Whom do we claim?

Poland isn't exactly overflowing with VIP's...

No I don't but maybe after 600 years when Poland will be richer with more influence than Germany somebody will calim her Polish nationality (of course firstly she must invent something). She admited this fact in interview.

Kopernik fought on the Polish side in war against the Germans !!!

so he was Polish!! how can you call somebody born in Poland not Polish?!?


i would say that it depends on those people, how they want to be called.... some of the older generation i know or knew, born in "not at that time Poland" call themselves Poles anyway... nationality = land you were born...

I'm sorry, but there is a bit of a difference in forcibly being occupied and having regulations on who go's in and out, and someone who is born within Polands boundaries and has the freedom to go to which ever country or land he chooses.

And still he wrote this under every of his famous books (for Poles to find):


Your teacher seemed to have left that little fact out...wonder why....
not to mention the facts that he was born into a GERMAN family, spoke GERMAN and visited GERMAN schools and that his uncle was the famous bishop Lucas Watzenrode...you never heard of that in school, right?


Poles also could leave Prussia...it wasn't a jail you know....

Exactly what I was thinking? where youre born is what your nationalty is.

ok, if you go this way, it's crap... my last name doesn't sound Polish, but my family is Polish from generations and i am Polish too...


but we've got a few and leave them alone... or you wanna claim them too...?

So...where were all these Poles during the partitions?


That's nice for you!
Kopernikus also hadn't a polish name and he made is nationality cristal clear (if one wants to read his books that is)!


Actually....I wouldn't know whom...the french could claim Chopin (sounds french), but else?