PolishForums LIVE  /  Archives [3]    
   
Archives - 2010-2019 / News  % width 1016

GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!


Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #451
Every German has Polish roots.

I tell ya...WWII is actually the fault of the Poles! *nods*

:):):)

Most Germans and Germanic countries consider blood as most important and language (Nationalism) as placing national identity

Well...isn't it???
You can change your pass or your name...but not your ethnic, your blood, your heritage!

The guy was born in Kraków to a Polish family, he fought Teutons, thats a pretty big indication of his nationality.

Not to a polish family ("Watzenrode" doesn't sound polish to me) and in an inner-prussian civil war about taxes mostly he chose the side which was accidentally the side of some Poles too...some indications!

knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Copernicus%27_nationality

If Kopernikus was "polish" than Nikola Tesla was "austrian"!

There are no extant letters written by Copernicus in Polish - those which have survived are all in Latin or German. However, Latin was at the time the international language of scholars and those letters in German might have been addressed to German-speakers and therefore for this specific purpose written in that language. The official languages of the Holy Roman Empire were Latin and German. (The Spanish Habsburg emperor(s) had to sign an agreement, to only use Latin or German in official HRE business.)

The surviving letters in German were correspondence with Prussian duke Albrecht of Brandenburg-Ansbach, with whom Copernicus coordinated the Prussian coin reform and other internal Prussian government business.

...yeah...what an anti-german polish nationalist he was...
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
7 May 2009 /  #452
Oh come on BB Germans try to overwrite history why cant we? He fought against Germans for the Polish king, that makes him as Polish as you can get.
Crow  154 | 9351  
7 May 2009 /  #453
Kopernik - Polish or German?

its obvious. Kopernik is Polish considering that most of Germans are also Polish or at least some other assimilated/germanized Slavs. In fact, there is no Germans and by anology, logicaly, Kopernik can`t be German. He can be only Polish

one day, Germans would be proud to be Poles again
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #454
Oh come on BB Germans try to overwrite history why cant we?

Just pointing out some facts they forgot to teach you in school isn't "overwriting" or "rewriting" history!

And no, he didn't fought "against the Germans for the polish king"...it was an inner prussian civil war. When you read back the old thread about this topic you will learn alot about this...

Kopernikus was quite busy FOR Prussia, FOR the Germans later on again!

Sokrates, there is no evidence that this man ever spoke or wrote polish in his life at all, what a Pole that would make!!!

In fact, there is no Germans

Crowie, where is your pride gone...
You write all the time about what a proud people the Slavs are, but wanting to attach yourself all the time to the proud germanic race speaks another language!

one day, Germans would be proud to be Poles again

Why?
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
7 May 2009 /  #455
its obvious. Kopernik is Polish

True...

Sokrates, there is no evidence that this man ever spoke or wrote polish in his life at all,

One of the resons I'm sure the guy was Polish is stupid stuff like that you have to use to support the Germanic version... Polish written texts were hardly used in his times...

BTW Do you we really have to do this **** again ? Can't somebody bump the old topic ?
Salomon  2 | 436  
7 May 2009 /  #456
Not to a polish family ("Watzenrode" doesn't sound polish to me) and in an inner-prussian civil war about taxes mostly he chose the side which was accidentally the side of some Poles too...some indications!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald

In Germany the battle was known as the Battle of Tannenberg. In 1914 yet another Battle of Tannenberg took place between Germany and Russia, ending with a Russian defeat.In German propaganda during the World War I / World War II period the 1914 battle was put forth as a revenge for the Polish - Lithuanian victory 504 years earlier, and the battle itself was purposefully named to suit this agenda.

heheh Civil war with some Poles on one side ... :)))))
Ironside  50 | 12387  
7 May 2009 /  #457
Kopernikus was quite busy FOR Prussia, FOR the Germans later on again!

Oh take him !
I don't care let him be first modern German nationalist in the dark ages!

You Germans as young and insecure nation still feel a need to constantly confirm that you are a nation at all!Not a bunch of different enthic entites mixed together by Bismark!
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #459
You Germans as young and insecure nation still feel a need to constantly confirm that you are a nation at all!

It's not me starting thread after thread after thread about that....:)

(Germans are still very tribal and are probably staying that way...german nation or not!)

True...

Not true...

Polish written texts were hardly used in his times

As was polish science or polish anything...he grew up german in a german family, studied in latin and in german and wrote in german about his theories, he was active in inner prussian politics, later worked extensively for the prussian administration...what makes him polish at all?

/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald

Nope, not this battle this time...:)
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133  
7 May 2009 /  #460
Well...isn't it???
You can change your pass or your name...but not your ethnic, your blood, your heritage!

BB would you consider a Communistic "German" shooting civilians in Berlin or a Turk defending thoose civilians yelling "For Germany!"

Who would be more German in your eyes?

Even blood can descive
Ironside  50 | 12387  
7 May 2009 /  #461
It's not me starting thread after thread after thread about that....:)

good point
there are people and people.....but in real life it was a German who stared that issue again!?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #462
You mean that?

ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom/cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=1761
Lir  
7 May 2009 /  #463
They should merge the two threads into one perhaps ?
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
7 May 2009 /  #464
As was polish science

lol... Kraków had a university famous in the whole Europe when most of Gerries were living in caves... but whatever your inferiority complex needs, Kraut :)
Salomon  2 | 436  
7 May 2009 /  #465
BRatwurs lost in previous dabete that is why he needs new thread.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #466
Are you blind to ******* stupid??? Thread opener was one of your fellows called "babylon"!

And contrary to you I can bring some more evidence for his german heritage than "but he was still a Pole"-tantrum from your side!

lol... Kraków had a university famous in the whole Europe when most of Gerries were living in caves... but whatever your inferiority complex needs, Kraut :)

Yeah, that's why the world thinks immediately about Poles when the talk is about scientific achievements, music or literature...sure!

Even the communist would be still a german, but the turk never...regardless their political allegiance...blood is one true fact!
Torq  
7 May 2009 /  #467
In the XV century terms, Kopernik was definitely a Pole (just as Mikołaj
Watzenrode) because they were loyal subjects of the king of Poland.

Trying to apply the XIX/XX century nationalistic criteria to people
living in the XV century is nothing but pure idiocy.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #468
In the XV century terms, Kopernik was definitely a Pole (just as Mikołaj
Watzenrode) because they were loyal subjects of the king of Poland.

Okay...then I want you to explain to Crow that Serbia's most famous son Nikola Tesla was in truth an Austrian!

*get's popcorn*

Trying to apply the XIX/XX century nationalistic criteria to people
living in the XV century is nothing but pure idiocy.

The ethnic heritage is not necessarily nationalistic...:)

The german tribes kicked asses since the days of Arminius...they didn't need a nation for that!
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133  
7 May 2009 /  #469
So you consider a traitor of your country a German while a defender of your country as a "foreigner" (Even if he had lived there some many years and felt German) would never be German?

Kosciuszko was an American & Pole :)
I am Norwegian while I have a Polish parent since ive lived here (Norway) and I consider this my home!

Take an example of a wolf flock

For you it would been strange that an group of 3 white wolfs would be angry at an other white wolf (Wich was in their group but betrayed them)

While you would also see it as uncorrect for a Grey wolf joining the flock after it had saved one of the flocks puppets (Regardless of what they call themselfs) You see where I am going?
thebear45  1 | 66  
7 May 2009 /  #470
corpenicus was polish. same as graham bell was of albanian descent
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #471
So you consider a traitor of your country a German while a defender of your country as a "foreigner" (Even if he had lived there some many years and felt German) would never be German?

Of course!

How can political allegiance, an ID card or a name or a religion be decisive about your ethnic heritage??? I don't get you..
Torq  
7 May 2009 /  #472
Okay...then I want you to explain to Crow why Serbia's most famous son Nikola Tesla was an Austrian!

Expalin something to Crow? You overestimate my eristic abilities lol

The ethnic heritage is not necessarily nationalistic...:)

Ethnic? Well, ethnically he was Silesian (just as his father) and 500 years ago
some Silesians felt loyal to German electors and some were loyal to the Polish
Crown, so this way we'll never be able to determine Kopernik's "nationality".
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #473
so this way we'll never be able to determine Kopernik's "nationality".

I very much agree with that:

knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Copernicus%27_nationality/

Summary: Copernicus was a European astronomer and mathematician.

I can live with that, Germany and Poland could share him...but some Poles can't!
Torq  
7 May 2009 /  #474
Summary: Copernicus was a European astronomer and mathematician.

I guess it sums it up pretty well...

...however, as I said, he was living in the XV century and was a loyal subject
of the King of Poland so in XV century terms he was a Pole (1:0 Poland).

Ethnically, as was said before, he was a Silesian, so it's not possible to say if
he was "more Polish" or "more German" (1:1 draw).

So, the final score is Poland - Germany 2:1 (if we could only get that score
in football LOL).

Ergo - HE WAS A POLE :-))))))))))))))
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #475
So, the final score is Poland - Germany 2:1 (if we could only get that score
in football LOL).

Try to get yourself some Germans in your team...heh...they could then fight our Poles!
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
7 May 2009 /  #476
Once I saw a squad of U17 team and about half of them were Lukas, Martin etc. so wait a few years.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11833  
7 May 2009 /  #477
babynamefacts.com/popularnames/countries.php?country=GMY

so wait a few years.

...and then what?
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
8 May 2009 /  #478
Ever heard about 2012... end of Mayan calendar and stuff... It's then...
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133  
8 May 2009 /  #479
ethnic heritage??? I don't get you..

Did I say ethic heritage? I SAID NATIOL IDENTITY! READ!
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Jul 2009 /  #480
Wasn't he the canon of Warmia? Correct me if I'm wrong, BB, but that's a Polish region.

Archives - 2010-2019 / News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!Archived