I hope Zywiec will remain polish.
GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!
Why?
Why she is German ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel
Angela Merkel was born as Angela Dorothea Kasner in Hamburg, as the daughter of Horst Kasner (b. 6 August 1926 in Berlin-Pankow), a Lutheran pastor and his wife, Herlind (b. 8 July 1928 in Elbing as Herlind Jentzsch), a teacher of English and Latin. Her mother is a member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany. Her grandparents on her mother's side lived in Elbing in East Prussia; one of them had Polish origin
Why she is German ? Her Grandfather was (in your terms) "ethnic" Pole.
Merkel about her Slavic soul
Sama Angela Merkel niezbyt często opowiada o swoich elbląskich korzeniach. Jedynie w wywiadzie dla "Die Zeit" powiedziała: Mam polskie korzenie poprzez dziadka. Gdy jestem w melancholijnym nastroju, myślę sobie, że odzywa się we mnie słowiańska dusza.
(Use translator)
She is German :) We don't want to share her. Copernicus mother had German name .... so what?
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
20 Nov 2008 / #363
The thread topic is about Kopernikus...not Mrs. Merkel (even if I find your interest in her rather cute).
Why should Kopernikus be polish...NOTHING supports this but still you say it.
*slavic soul* LOL
Well...at Kopernikus' time there wasn't a "modern Poland" and the fact that so many Poles have german names is also a sign of the many border changes...
(And those "modern Poles" with german names speak at least polish fluently I think...something there is no proof for that Kopernikus ever did)
Why should Kopernikus be polish...NOTHING supports this but still you say it.
*slavic soul* LOL
Copernicus mother had German name like many Poles in modern Poland and he was Polish.
Well...at Kopernikus' time there wasn't a "modern Poland" and the fact that so many Poles have german names is also a sign of the many border changes...
(And those "modern Poles" with german names speak at least polish fluently I think...something there is no proof for that Kopernikus ever did)
Merkel about her Slavic soul
She has no Slavic soul... she is a disgusting woman.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
20 Nov 2008 / #365
she is a disgusting woman.
Why?
Your potatoe heads, the unbearable twins, are full slavs...full with slavic soul...now THAT's disgusting!
Why should Kopernikus be polish...NOTHING supports this but still you say it.
Only his Polish name exists in reality - Kopernik ... what is more mostly in Poland. (we have made this point several times.
.something there is no proof for that Kopernikus ever did
we have made this point several times.
.not Mrs. Merkel (even if I find your interest in her rather cute).
She is good example to show why your arguments are wrong because she is very German.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
20 Nov 2008 / #367
Only his Polish name exists in reality - Kopernik ... what is more mostly in Poland. (we have made this point several times.
It's Koppernigk...you just tune out facts Lukasz, how do you do this??? :)
we have made this point several times.
Remind me again? I must have missed them...
She is good example to show why your arguments are wrong because she is very German.
Erm...you want to debate Kopernikus with the help of Mrs. Merkel??? Well...you become as wierd as Crowie...
Copernicus was Cornish. He lived with King Arthur at St Michael's Mount. It's true I tell you. It was in the daily Mail in 1973.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
20 Nov 2008 / #369
What is "cornish"???
It's Koppernig
Find me person with this name. It doesn't exist in reality.
Germany:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/koppernigk.html
Kopernik
Latin was official language in writtig few years after Kopernik we have started to use Polish.
She is very good example :)
Find me person with this name. It doesn't exist in reality.
Germany:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/koppernigk.html
Kopernik
Latin was official language in writtig few years after Kopernik we have started to use Polish.
Erm...you want to debate Kopernikus with the help of Mrs. Merkel???
She is very good example :)
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
20 Nov 2008 / #371
Find me person with this name. It doesn't exist in reality.
In OUR reality it exists at least to the family Koppernigks times...I'm not
sure about your reality Luki...it's so different!
google.com/search?hl=en&q=Koppernigk&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Latin was official language in writtig few years after Kopernik we have started to use Polish.
Erm...that was uncomprehensible, please try again...
Oh and please bring me some proof that Kopernikus ever used or even knew polish, thank you!
She is very good example :)
Yes...like Crow!
....good night! Till tomorrow...
You are German Crow ... :)
Merkel talks about her Slavic soul etc ... now I talk like YOU and Crow :).
She is German, it is my opinion.
Koper in Polish means dill :) and many people have this name, his father moved from Kraków :) he was Polish. It is simple. Name you claim to be true DOESN'T EXIST IN REALITY :) You can find it only in some German books about Kopernik and texts of supporters of this version.... it is only one case when you can find this name in reality ... fiction/popaganda.
Merkel talks about her Slavic soul etc ... now I talk like YOU and Crow :).
She is German, it is my opinion.
In OUR reality it exists at least to the family Koppernigks times
Koper in Polish means dill :) and many people have this name, his father moved from Kraków :) he was Polish. It is simple. Name you claim to be true DOESN'T EXIST IN REALITY :) You can find it only in some German books about Kopernik and texts of supporters of this version.... it is only one case when you can find this name in reality ... fiction/popaganda.
joepilsudski 26 | 1387
20 Nov 2008 / #373
COPERNICUS
Why are Poles so concerned with Copernicus?...Hasn't Poland developed any new talent in the past few years, let alone the last 1000?
Why are Poles so concerned with Copernicus?...Hasn't Poland developed any new talent in the past few years, let alone the last 1000?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles
Apparently the modern spelling of the name is Kopernik. But there are a lot of them who have identified with Germany. So there are apparently Germans with the name and Poles with the name.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #376
Why are Poles so concerned with Copernicus?...Hasn't Poland developed any new talent in the past few years, let alone the last 1000?
Quite...
I think he means "of international" standing! A "ski" in the name and being known in the neighbourhood doesn't cut it..
BB, go get a job...
Apparently the modern spelling of the name is Kopernik. .
Yes Polish version of this name exists in reality - more of them live in Poland (138) than in Germany(58)
I AGREE - ONLY POLISH VERSION "KOPERNIK" IS REAL.
I think he means "of international" standing! A "ski" in the name and being known in the neighbourhood doesn't cut it..
you have problem with Polish people.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #379
BB, go get a job...
Ditto :)
Yes Polish version of this name exists in reality - more of them live in Poland (138) than in Germany(58)
Whoa! What an argument!!! :):):)
I AGREE - ONLY POLISH VERSION "KOPERNIK" IS REAL.
???
you gave problem with Polish people.
Well...where am I wrong? :)
Softsong:So there are apparently Germans with the name and Poles with the name.
We can agree that Kopernik is real name but we can use latin Copernicus. German version of his name doesn't exists !!!
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #381
Idiot...listen carefully, I'm talking extra slowly:
As it was custom in his time to latinize your surname when you want to be part of the smart ones he changed his real family name "Koppernigk" to "Copernicus" also "Kopernikus" (his german variant).
"Kopernik" means absolutely nothing but a re-polonized version of the latin version!
Poles not only re-polonized his name to "Mikolaj Kopernik" (Ha) but tried to do the same with the whole man!
As it was custom in his time to latinize your surname when you want to be part of the smart ones he changed his real family name "Koppernigk" to "Copernicus" also "Kopernikus" (his german variant).
"Kopernik" means absolutely nothing but a re-polonized version of the latin version!
Poles not only re-polonized his name to "Mikolaj Kopernik" (Ha) but tried to do the same with the whole man!
Scientists say Copernicus' remains, grave found
"WARSAW, Poland - Researchers said Thursday they have identified the remains of Nicolaus Copernicus by comparing DNA from a skeleton and hair retrieved from one of the 16th-century astronomer's books. The findings could put an end to centuries of speculation about the exact resting spot of Copernicus"
Soldier in Polish army, Polish bones - POLISH
CROW !!! Have you taken over BB account ?
I see you are typical eastern German who wants to prove that he is more German that he realy is (using Hitler terms)
"WARSAW, Poland - Researchers said Thursday they have identified the remains of Nicolaus Copernicus by comparing DNA from a skeleton and hair retrieved from one of the 16th-century astronomer's books. The findings could put an end to centuries of speculation about the exact resting spot of Copernicus"
Poles not only re-polonized his name to "Mikolaj Kopernik" (Ha) but tried to do the same with the whole man!
Soldier in Polish army, Polish bones - POLISH
CROW !!! Have you taken over BB account ?
I see you are typical eastern German who wants to prove that he is more German that he realy is (using Hitler terms)
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #383
Soldier in Polish army, Polish bones - POLISH
Soldier in the "PREUSSISCHER BUND", bones identified as those of Kopernikus, NOT as polish - GERMAN!
I see you are typical eastern German who wants to prove that he is more German that he realy is (using Hitler terms)
I see a mixed breed trying to deny his german roots and being more polish than the pure Poles! :)
Some facts about Frauenburg where he died:
The town was founded as a defensive stronghold on an Old Prussian site. In 1224 at Catania, Emperor Frederick II declared Prussia directly subordinate to the church and Holy Roman Empire. Later in the same year the pope assigned Bishop William of Modena as the papal legate to Prussia.
The same as Torn...both cities are hardly a conclusive proof for the "polishness" of their citizens!
A website that has decided to share:
closermagazine.com/v1/cl6/feature.html
There are scholars of Latin, Greek and Hebrew who still can debate scriptural passages. There are all sorts of historical clues about Copernicus. We can have opinions, but if the experts are still debating...well no wonder we are, too!
closermagazine.com/v1/cl6/feature.html
There are scholars of Latin, Greek and Hebrew who still can debate scriptural passages. There are all sorts of historical clues about Copernicus. We can have opinions, but if the experts are still debating...well no wonder we are, too!
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #385
A website that has decided to share:
Good point:
In 1530, the Polish-German astronomer Nicolaus Koppernigk launched a scientific revolution...
:)
I see a mixed breed trying to deny his german roots and being more polish than the pure Poles! :)
I,m not cross breed my family has been living in this country for 1000 years (the most propably much for longer). I have the same Y-DNA (I1a) as 18% of Polish people 23% of German people and 50% of Swedes.
Soldier in the "PREUSSISCHER BUND", bones identified as those of Kopernikus, NOT as polish - GERMAN!
Well it is nice example of Prussian Bund :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanization
Oletzko County was a historic East Prussian county with its capital at Oletzko. The county was populated by Mazurs, a Polish ethnic group. In the process of Germanisation, the proportion of Polish-speaking people declined steadily:
1818 - over 90% of population
1852 - 65%
1861 - 58%
1890 - 46%
1900 - 33.5% (German census)
1818 - over 90% of population
1852 - 65%
1861 - 58%
1890 - 46%
1900 - 33.5% (German census)
I have my opinion about eastern Germans talking about being ancient Slavic or ancient Germanic etc ...
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #387
I,m not cross breed my family has been living in this country for 1000 years (the most propably much for longer).
I want proof! :):):)
Some more infos about the "Preußischer Bund" (Prussian Confederation) on whose side Kopernikus and his uncle Watzenrode fighted:
germannotes.com/archive/prussian-confederation-p-563.html
The Prussian Confederation or Alliance against Lordship (German: Preußischer Bund) was an organization formed on 21 February 1440 by a group of 53 gentry and clergy and 19 Prussian cities, under the leadership of the Hanseatic cities of Danzig (Gdansk), Elbing (Elblag), and Thorn (Torun).
Its purpose was the resistance against high taxes and policies of the Teutonic Order. The disgruntled Teutonic Knight Johannes von Baysen led them, and eventually was appointed governor of Royal Prussia.
Its purpose was the resistance against high taxes and policies of the Teutonic Order. The disgruntled Teutonic Knight Johannes von Baysen led them, and eventually was appointed governor of Royal Prussia.
Doesn't sound like a "polish resistance fight" to me....and it has also nothing to do with "Germanization" :)
(Poor Nicki became rather an example for tried "polonization"!)
I have my opinion about eastern Germans talking about being ancient Slavic or ancient Germanic etc ..
I don't want to know! LOL
I want proof!
:))) don't try to make German or Prussian from me beacuse in whole Poland you can find I1A DNA...
Poor Nicki became rather an example for tried "polonization
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Union_(medieval)
The Lizard Union or Lizard League (German: Eidechsenbund; Polish: Związek Jaszczurczy) was an organization of Prussian nobles and knights established in Culmerland (Chełmno Land) in 1397. Its declared goal was to combat lawlessness, although it discreetly sought the transfer of Culmerland from the Teutonic Knights to Poland
I don't want to know! LOL
like 30% of German population...
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11833
21 Nov 2008 / #389
:))) don't try to make German or Prussian from me beacuse in whole Poland you can find I1A DNA...
Why not? What is now Poland was once Germany, Austria or Russia...(and even further back it was where german tribes roamed freely)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Union_(medieval)
And that has to do with Kopernikus what exactly?
like 30% of German population...
....and likewise 30 percent of the Poles??? We should share! :)
Harry
21 Nov 2008 / #390
Germany:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/koppernigk.html
Kopernik
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/kopernik.html
OK, let's use your logic for a moment.
The name Chopin does not exist in Poland. Therefore Chopin can not have been Polish.
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/chopin.html
The name Skłodowska-Curie does not exist in Poland. Therefore Marie Skłodowska-Curie can not have been Polish
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/sk%25C5%2582odowska%25E2%2580%2 593curie+.html
However, the name Chopin does exist in Germany. Therefore Chopin must have been German:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/chopin.html
Any more superb 'logic' for us?
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/koppernigk.html
Kopernik
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/kopernik.html
OK, let's use your logic for a moment.
The name Chopin does not exist in Poland. Therefore Chopin can not have been Polish.
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/chopin.html
The name Skłodowska-Curie does not exist in Poland. Therefore Marie Skłodowska-Curie can not have been Polish
moikrewni/mapa/kompletny/sk%25C5%2582odowska%25E2%2580%2 593curie+.html
However, the name Chopin does exist in Germany. Therefore Chopin must have been German:
verwandt.de/karten/absolut/chopin.html
Any more superb 'logic' for us?