Father Popiełuszko beatified in Warsaw

Father Jerzy Popiełuszko, murdered by Poland's communist secret police in 1984, was beatified during an open-air Mass held in Warsaw's Piłsudski Square. More than 120,000 pilgrims from across the country came to the capital to take part in the celebratory Mass, led by Papal envoy Archbishop Angelo Amato.The Papal envoy underlined that Father Popiełuszko suffered because he was a faithful servant of the Catholic Church, and who defended his own dignity as well as the freedom of those who like him were oppressed and humiliated.

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Although Popiełuszko himself never mentioned communism, the Soviets or Russians by name, Poles in general have plenty of reason to be anti-Russian. That oppressor nation time and again tried not only to conquer and physically subjugate Poland but to poison the Polish soul with its authoritarian Mongol-Byzantine tsarism and then its toxic Soviet ideology of communism under their Lenins, Stalins and other Brezhnevs. Let us never forget that Stalin murdered more people than Hitler. And to this day his badge of disgrace, the Soviet swastika in the shape of a sickle & hammer, is still displayed in public as is the notorious red star of infamy.

Now the Muscovites are manipulating information about the black boxes. There is growing evidence now being collected by the IPN that the murder of Father Popiełuszko was masterminded at the Kremlin. That really wouldn't surprise anyone, would it? They flubbed the papal assassination attempt, but in 1984 they succeeded with the Polish priest.

No wonder there is a Polish saying: Jak świat światem, Moskal Polakowi nie będzie bratem. (As long as the world exists the Muscovite will never be the Pole’s brother.)

Good!


Never say never. Anyway there is no point to rub it in, nor shout it from the roof tops. What it is achieving except aggravating Russians ?

Considering all the harm they did not only to Poland, Russians should now be humble, contrite and repentant. Instead they continue to be haughty, arrogant and big-power-obsessed and promote crypto-Sovietism (eg public displays of red stars and Soviet swastikas - hammers & sickles). By what right are they keeping Chcehens in post-Soviet bondage? Let them be free! By what right are they holding onto tsarist and Soviet imeprialist territorial acquisitions? All non-Russians should be allowed to exist the Russian Federation. All civilised countries have given up their former colonial possessions, not it's Russia's turn.

Really? How do you think Moscow is manipulating the contents of the third black box, which they couldn't decode and gave to the Polish almost straight away to do so?


Really? You want another tinpot Muslim state, run by extremists who will be no allies of Western civilisation? Chechens are anything but sweetness and light!


That's only if you believe that he was important enough to even be noticed by the Kremlin.

This Polish habit of over-estimating their own importance is really starting to get on my nerves.

Polonius how can you claim to be a journalist or be interested in history?


I would love to let them go. :) They don't want to. Maybe you know why?


Aren't they?


exit or exist? :) Russia is a multinational country and has been for centuries. Are you jealous for that we can get along well with most of them? Do you suggest that half of Russians (that's my rough estimate on number of ethnically non-Russians in the RF) exit the Russian Federation. How on earth? :)


Polonius wants to cut his own throat.

The IPN (a Polish state institution investiagting crimes agaisnt Poland) has indicated that there is reason to believe that the long arms of the KGB found traitor Poles to do their bidding for them in Warsaw.

well, there was never big chance of it, without compliment military takeover of Russia and I think that you forgetting that Poland is not USA.


Well, fat chance !


Poland is important to Russia, make no mistake about it from your Scottish perspective, task of Polish government is to make sure that, this import is right one (from Polish perspective).

You're telling me. I'd much rather have Chechyna controlled by Moscow than risk another tiny Muslim republic with no self control whatsoever.


Well, they couldn't possibly admit that Poles were solely responsible for killing Poles, could they?


Is it really important? The way that they bypassed Poland to build the Nord Stream suggests to me that they really couldn't care less about Poland these days. Perhaps it was important once, but nowadays? I see lots of posturing from Poland towards Russia, but very little in return.

You have to be careful when taking on causes. Pol3, I wouldn't mingle with Chechens of Terbulatov's ilk. The Spetsnaz took good care of him. I understand their struggle but they are still radicals.

You may or may not know that committees of Soldiarity with the Chechen have been active in Kraków, Warsaw and Poznań. Recently the long arm of the Kremlin has pressured Warsaw into harassing the pro-Chechen activists, evicting them from their offices, etc.

well, there no doubt about it, is it ?
What more there a plenty of traitor's at large doing whatever their doing....


you lost me here !Define solely, and tell what the difference does it make? They are traitors and that is that!


That current politics, there is no point to talk to Poland when decision are made in Brussels or Berlin.
Generally Poland is important to Russia in more ways then one - ask Sasha !

Not a bad idea either. The Chechens are no allies of the West - after all, their use of suicide bombs is hardly compatible with the Western idea of civilisation.

Unless of course, you want extremists in Poland - personally, I'd rather they were kept in Russia.


Doesn't make any difference, the guy was still murdered. But I'm sick to death of all this IT WAS RUSSIA, even when it clearly wasn't. Poles simply cannot accept that their own can be just as bad - look at the outrage over the theft at Smolensk, yet many people deny that Poles did exactly the same thing before.

what could be worse than traitor?

Father (Padre) Popiełuszko? Rest in Peace good guy! But then again, it's been analysed, judged and put to rest. No more story on that.

Is Russia's government planting bombs in Moscow's tenement buildings and trying to blame on the Chechens compatible with Western idea if civilization?


Then you must know who gave the order. We are listening.


A friend of mine made a documentary with Piotrowski, who was the fall guy in this crime. When asked if he will tell the whole story, Piotrowski answered: Only if you guarantee the safety of my children.

The real murderers are still free, but you can be sure the orders came from Moscow. Of course, you would have to know something about the SB and how it functioned, which clearly you don't.

... which exactly proves delphiandomine's point.

Which point?

This point.

Are you daft?

You also seem to know who was resposible. Who then? Where did the orders come from?

... which exactly proves delphiandomine's point. There's always some conspiracy behind everything. Jee, I guess even the Russians are behind the fact the sun is setting every evening or the grass grows during summer.

Just as I thought, you have nothing intelligent to say. Not unusual, but I can recommend some good books about ks.Jerzy, so you won't be completely ignorant.

Says Mr Simple Mind himself. You go on with your conspiracy theories, Jolanda. And keep believe in them, sucker.

What conspiracy theories? That important decissions SB took were decided in Moscow?

The official line is that Piotrowski, a low level SB agent, took upon himself to torture and murder an important priest. Is it a conspiracy theory that this version is ridiculous? Say something smart, or don't get into discussions you have no idea about nor any interest, Dutchboy.

Funny how you dismiss anybody that disagrees with you or says sth you don't understand as not being intelligent. Just might be a sign that you, after all, are not so intelligent as you think you are.


Would that be sth like this?


What wisdom shines through these words...Everybody is stupid and Jolanda is smart.

>^..^<

M-G (and yet again you try to humiliate your opponent. Not that it works, it doesn't, but you try)

Jola, you're now speaking in terms of claims. With all due respect this was an ad hominem argument. It's not proven...

But its logical, perfectly fit circumstances and is very Russian or rather very NKVD like ....

I-S (thinks that is the truth)

Merged: Blessed Jerzy Popiełuszko on TVP1

Anyone watch the documentary on Popiełuszko on Monday night? I thought I knew most everything about his ministry, persecution and martyrdom, but this iflm inlcuded footage never shown before. This is one of the films supressed by the Tusk regime apparently not to offend his SLD comrades. Incidentally, TVP Historia has a new series called "Półkowniki" (shelfers), films consigned to archive shelves because of PO/PSL censorhip. Now they are finally seeing the light of day.

Re the Popiełuszko documentary, I hadn't knwon that two fisherman who witnessed his body being thrown over the dam died in accidents a short while later. Also family members of attorneys prosecuting the murderous trio died in mysterious circumstances as did at least one Popiełuszko relative. A lady by the smae name was killed by mistake. Yet the blood-stained trio, or foursome, because there was their direct superior Pietruszka, took the wrap witihout revealing who had put them up to it. It is commion knowledge that mid-level Interior Min. employees would never singlehandedly undertake such a rub-out without approval from aboe. So Michnik's "man of honour" Kiszczak went to his grave untainted by the Popiełuszko murder.

I watched the documentary on Popieluszko and indeed it was very moving with a lot of new information.

280 miracles have been registered so far through this saint's intercession.