Who controls Gazeta Wyborcza??

You're the one that made the following two claims, which for the 26th time on this thread, we're asking you to provide a single reliable source.



Of course he's avoiding it, because it isn't publicly available information ;)

This means that for you being Polish is a blood-related condition. The blood has to be pure...
I wonder what the Kashubians, Silesians, Mazurians and Górale make of this?
How does this make you different from a certain moustached fellow from before the war? And we all know where his ideas lead to.

Nope. Even for for the 13,456th time I'll tell you to do your own homework if this is so crucial an issue (obsession) for you. I couldn't care less!

If you couldn't care less, why did you post?

It would make a lot of sense to come right out with what you actually mean rather than making obtuse posts.

"And of course it totally ignores the point that DNA isn't the same as ethnicity, nationality or culture"

Well I am sorry to dissapoint you but in my opinion ethnicity is written into our DNA, for an example a member of the etchnic group of etc... Black people will have a different genome thatn that one of the White Etchic group...

Agreed that DNA doesn't change the nationality or culture of a man!

John, what does cash mean in this context? I've tried Urban Dictionary but it didn't help.

Sorry, but you are the one who needs to produce a source, or just admit that you were lying (not that anybody is still in any doubt whatsoever about that).

Just wanted to see if others were aware of this fact. I need no proof, DNA or otherwise -- I KNOW. I've been there, talked to these pople, was a frequently visitor to Kuroń's place in Mickiewicza street, even attended his late son Maciek's wedding at the Żoliborz registrar's office. Anyone raised in a traditonal Polish setting would have sensed the alien vibes radiating from that company. If you weren't raised in a traditional Polish atmosphere you migth not sense that otherness', but every real Pole or Polonian would.

"Alien vibes"?

Do elaborate....

Which is a bit of a problem considering the amount of Polish people that mixed with Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Kashubs, Belarusians, Ukrainians, etc throughout the years. If one uses blood as a definition of Polish, then one must prove an unbroken link to the start of Poland.


Obviously you do care, otherwise you wouldn't make up such ridiculous lies.


That sounds to me as if there is no proof. It's a usual line by PiS supporters - they won't prove anything because THEY KNOW. Except most of us work to slightly higher standards than anonymous internet posts.


How could an American know what a traditional Polish family do, given the vast difference between Polonia and Poles?


Please define a "real" Pole? Is it one who has had traitorous scum for a father?

You either feel it or you don't. Someone from a different family background, with radically different views, ideas, customs and values, different frames of reference and even different in-jokes -- it is hard to pinpont and it's not just one thing, but taken together it all projects a somewhat alien and exotic ambience.

Since you don't seem to catch on to things too readily, let me give you a łopatologiczny 'for instance'. Let's say you were sent to do an interview with members of a Radio Maryja club, took part in their religious service, attended a lecture, discsussion and social hour, and listened to their banter and jokes -- you probably likewise could not readily identify with them, their value system and viewpoints. They might even be pleasant and hospitable and all, but you would not be one of them nor feel any affinity for them. If even that is incomprehensible to you, then I give up. You're hopeless!

Most of us don't rely on "feelings", but rather cold facts. We're not children.


But I would never deny their Polishness, as much as it might be alien to me. I might think they're crazy, that they have no clue, that they should go drown themselves, whatever - but they are still Polish.

Szkiełko i oko (oh, you probably don't know that that means) are not always infallible. Atheist Kieślowski showed the tragic results of such blind faith in science and rationalism in one of hsi Decalogue films.

You mean that you have no proof. That is why you have been so utterly unable to produce even a single source to support your laughable lie and that the two sources which you did offer us stated the exact opposite of what you claimed they did.


How nice of you to speak for Poles, given that you were brought up as an American in America. Poland has moved on a lot further in the last 75 years than Polonia has (and was moving from a point further along the evolutionary chain).

It would be hard to deny the Polishness of Radio Maryja backers not only in terms of their patrioitc spirit (which the GW gang lack) but also as regards haplogroups. Before the war the grandparents of the GW clique were agents of a foreign power (KPP and the like), after the war they ruled the UB which killed, tortured and persecuted Polish freedom-fighters (AK, NSZ, WiN) and patriots. After 1989 they hijacked GW, which in Wałęsa's view was to have been the organ of Soldiarity and the entire anti-communist opposition, turning it into a post-KOR-ite Courier -- a paper soft on communism precisely due to the milieux in which its shakers and movers grew up. As a result, they do not realise that communism was worse than hitlerism becuase it destroyed more innocent lives. True-blue, dyed-in.-the-wool Poles have always espoused the concept of two mortals enemies -- Szwaby i Kacapy. The GW types do not.

Hey, Harry - another unsourced claim!

Could you provide us with a single reliable source as to this claim, as well as the following two claims made previously?


27 and counting.

What did you do to oppose, Polonius? Did you spend a considerable amount of time in prison, like Adam Michnik did?

You mean all the Polska B babcias who funded rydzyk's Maybach from their meagre pensions?

Google KPP. Case rests.

So you mean that yet again you cannot offer even a single source which supports your latest laughable lie.

No, Polonius - we're asking for a single reliable source to the following three claims - for the 28th time

I don't want to google anything - I'm asking you for a reliable source to these statements.

If you can't provide a source, we can just assume that you're lying.

We can assume that he's lying anyway. Or perhaps he can tell us why Adam Michnik's grandfather allowed the Soviets to murder his son, given that, according to Polonius, Adam Michnik's grandfather was a Soviet agent.

Assume whatever you like, it's no skin off of my *****. You can deny, dodge and meander till you're blue in the face, but refuse to acknowledge what most Poles know for a fact: The GW crowd is 'them', not 'us, and it ain't Belarusians that are calling the shots!

If it isn't Belarussians, who is it?

You tell me. Use your God-given...,oops, um, er... I mean Mother Goose (or Mother Nature) given power of deduction.

A fact which is well known would be easy to prove with reliable sources. You cannot give us even a single reliable source confirming what you claim. The reason you cannot give us even one is that you are very simply telling racist lies, as usual.

Guys. Polonius is exempt from backing up his libel because he Just knows. He feels it. He gets a vibe. And he says he doesn't like hippies.

70% do not .

Have you taken a survey? Maybe ask CBOS or TNS OBOP to do it.

You mean in the same way that, by the logic of Polonius3's posts, we don't have to produce any evidence at all that if he'd been alive during WWII, he wouldn't have hesitated for even a single moment before signing the DVL so he could join the SS and murder Jews? We can just say that he would do it because we know he would do it; we feel it; we get a vibe (and can read his ceaseless drivel of anti-semitic lies)?

If it was such a fact, why are we asking you for the 29th time for a single reliable source for the following statements made by you on this thread?


If it's such a fact, why are you failing to provide a single source?