Polish cleaner blows the lid on 'dirty' Germans

Erm...that is blahblah wishy washy and you know that.

In what way is the polish house cleaner "exploited"???


Are the Germans forcing them to do this at gun point??? Are their forced labor camps whe don't know about?

And how is washing your dirty laundry about your employer in a book more dignified?

And about what german stereotype we are talking about and how was that proven wrong???

Read the article. Especially the bits about money!

I read the article! That's what got me wondering about your statements...did we read different articles?

I tell you what I see as the main statement of this article (and of this book).


She never accepted her fate...instead to go back to Poland and try something else she stayed felt humiliated for 12 long years. Coming to hate her life...in Germany...the Germans.

Now she has written a book. If you really think that would become a fair and objective report then I can't help you!

PS: I have a strong feeling you can wait for the ukrainian version of such a book blaming their polish employers.
There is a lot of envy and jealousy around...especially for people who think being a cleaner is something to be ashamed about!

"I hope that my bad employers read this book and start behaving better," Justyna told The Independent. "The idea is to persuade everyone who has a char lady to think again," she added.

"Where do you come from?" Her reply: "From Poland" not infrequently elicits the answer: "No thanks" or ***** Polack". They are degraded and put down BB. Discrimination.

Evidently. I read an article where the lady had been called sh1t polack", had her wages witheld by an employer and other various outrages. You seemingly didn't.

Boohooo
PF is full of discrimination too...do you see me complaining? She could have left every time..but she didn't. Maybe she is just a **********?

With left smiling and saying thank you - with right cursing and ratting?

For example:


You are so full of it!

PF is a discussion forum, not real life. Maybe she heard from other friends who do the same kind of work that other Germans treat them the same, where was she to go? plus she obviously needed the money, she was to become some ***** in a brothel and do nasty fat men?

I assume you realise that was the headline of the original article!

Well...as I see it she thinks she is something better with her A-level and had high hopes coming to Germany.
Couldn't find a job, decided to become a cleaner and hated it. In 12 years she was unable to do anything about her real dream - probably the whole time feeling humiliated being "forced" to do work "beneath her".

That all is her problem, not Germany's...she had better go back soon after it became clear she won't get a job as make up-artist!



But you see...calling someone dirty because he employes house cleaner is somewhat stupid! ;)

This is what I keep repeating, you don't like it where you live, go back home and feel happy again.
No, she practically forced herself into this misery, she had a choice to leave but she stayed in Germany and punished herself.
I'm not discussing here whether whatever she's saying is true or not, we will never find out anyway but I know it always takes two to tango. She would never find herself in this situation if she wouldn't allow it.


I'm sure it will follow sooner or later.

I've heard that it's mostly volksdeutsche who treat Polish workers with contempt (at least
that's what one of my friend's father, who works in Germany, claims.) Ordinary Germans
are not that bad - if they're happy with your work, you don't have to worry.

Volksdeutsche on the other hand... I remember once when I was a boy of 8 maybe 9,
my father and I were driving to Gdańsk and we witnessed a car accident caused by
a driver, who later turned out to be a volksdeutsch (very common Polish name, changed
slightly to make it look "more German" - Kowalsky LOL.) As my father was a policeman
back then, he went to talk to the drivers involved and as mr Kowalsky was acting very
aggressively and, at one point, started walking towards his car with a clear intention
of driving away, my father advised him against that. And then Mr Kowalsky said something
that I still remember until today: "Only fu*cking Polaks run away from the accident site"
(he said that in perfect Polish, I should add.) Typical volksdeutch pig thing to say.

Or another story. When I was in primary school, my family and I used to spend a part of our
summer holidays at the shores of a beautiful lake Kłączno. Every year there were literally
HORDES of volksdeutche, acting like a bunch of pigs, burping, farting at the table - feckin
disgusting.

I don't mind Germans, but volksdeutche... grrrrrr.... those mongrels really annoy me.

Again you miss the point, perhaps deliberately.

No my dear!

You thought you could gain some brownie points with the stereotype clique quickly. Very probably harboring some grudges about the Germans yourself.
You read the headline, thought "bingo" and decided rashly to open a thread.

You shot yourself in the foot and try now to wriggle out of, that it is for all to see.

Playing on stereotypes, generalizations and all around hate is a fiery business and you better have your facts straight (or in this case understand the article BEFORE opening a thread).

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Try harder next time! ;)

Nationalist b*tchfighting CAN be a great source of amusement and I too have fun indulging it sometimes with special posters but you are clearly not up to it!

OK, just tell me about the Volksdeutsche? Who are they?

Well if she is a very pretty young woman and the job itself is degrading and she's having some fat ugly old man/woman call her names as if she's beneath them, how do you think she felt ?


If she was there illegally what could she do?

Erm...that is from yet another book, isn't it???


Go back?


Ummm...Volksdeutsche against ordinary Germans?

Is that some special polish thingy??? ;)

No this book,




OK, then don't hire these people in the first place if you don't like em' they'll go somewhere else or will stay home.

Again wrong. I saw an article about a book written by a Pole concerning her experiences as an emigrant worker (very relevant to this forum) and decided to open a thread. You however evidently see it from a nationalistic perspective.

Perhaps a great source of amusement for you. Some of us however are more interested in discussing matters relevant to Poles and Poland, but you are clearly not up to it.

Try harder next time!

what if she's not that pretty ;-) (kidding)

Mongrels. Mutts - neither Germans nor Poles, but acting as if they were the master race.

Of course, I'm talking about my personal experience with them. It is quite possible, it is certain
in fact, that there are decent volksdeutche in this world (I just haven't met any yet.)


Don't get me wrong, BB - we hate ordinary Germans too, but volksdeutche are
slightly more annoying. ;)

If she's young and Polish, chances are she is :-)

You are clearly talking about the "Angedeutschte" if anything. The Volksdeutschen are the Germans who live abroad (correct me if I'm wrong BB :-) )


yep, the chances are she's pretty just like the chances are, she's not :-)

Not a bad idea that BB, would be pretty simple to arrange a few interviews with Ukrainian cleaners in Warsaw and then write up their stories into the form of a book. Certainly not more than a week’s work. Possibly have it translated into Hebrew too. Or better yet, write it from the viewpoint of a Ukrainian woman who discovered while cleaning for a Jewish family in Warsaw (which will obviously be the only family that treats her well) that she is actually Jewish and so is able to move to Israel. We can all do our bit for international relations.


You think that there is any shortage of Ukrainian women in Poland doing just that? Now ask yourself why they don't want to work here as cleaners.

You mean that:


It seems alot of possible employers learned that lesson already...

But that too is being held against them! Hmmm....


Manno...you got me worried here for a minute! *phew*


Oh...how original and creative! Did you get that from some book???


Probably some poor slavic soul brutally germanized by these mean Germans (with dirty houses)....*looks around for Crowie*

No, I was just quoting some fool.

Well...that never stopped you before!

Um no you obviously saw only what you wanted during your stay in Poland, half the young (teen/20s) girls are pretty, ask the Brits who they find prettier Slavic Germanic? :-)


Well like i said before it's hard to find people in Poland who like Germans, unless it benefits them in some way.

Yeah...that's why "Justyna" came to Germany in the first place too...their intense dislike of Germans!

You Poles really manage to look coward and dishonorable if that is true! On one side cozying up to everything German...living and working here by the millions....taking gratefully what we give you and behind our backs griping and complaining.

Come to think of that's what this "Justyna" did...not a good way to make you somewhat more sympathetic, rather reinforcing all possible stereotypes.

You became quite unpopular in Great Britain too I've heard? After you immigrated there in masses in search for cheap, quick labor. Complaining about the "discriminating" articles in english newspapers? Could it be that you are just generally disliked with people who got to know you? That you better stop complaining about other peoples bad impression about you???

Look better in the mirror next time when you want to complain again...

After all, you give plenty of scope!

Wow...10 minutes for that little gem of a come back! I'm awed!!!