The chances for Warsaw to become capital of eventual Slavic confederation?

Look at what time means wrote above. There is your answer if you ensure instant death.

people, i don`t know what to tell you

i am fascinate with your abbility to ruin every single thread with nonsensical disscusions

No offence, Crow, but the thread is equally as nonsensical. A Slavic confederation, LOL. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Russia/Poland, Serbia/Croatia, Poland/Ukraine, Slovakia/Czech. Some real animosity from history there, Crow.

The EU is Serbia's reality, well, Tadic seems to think so. The Slovenes have lifted the weight on the Croats, it seems like they are shaping events more decisively too.

its not our choice. Its not our choice. All of us are puppets. True freedom and independance is something else. At least half of animosities among Slavs coming from foreigners, invaders on our world

in EU, Slavs won`t found freedom. Those who created EU are sons of those slave hunters which hunted our ancestors. They created EU to protect their, not Slavic interests.

i want to understand EU only as a prelude for Slavija that is needed and ineevitable

We are just puppets in the hands of the power brokers, I agree.

As Jim Morrison said, 'freedom exists in a school book'. It is being eroded/whittled away.

Yes, invaders cost you dearly. Still, don't you think Croatia would have declared its independence, even in the absence of Germany?

True, you shouldn't join the EU to alleviate their guilt. Still, Poland did and most Poles seem to have benefitted in some ways.

Slavija is inevitable? What does that mean in the real world exactly?

in the absence of Germany, Serbia would be twice as bigger then it is now and Croatia would be smaler, real ethnic Croatia- three regions: Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin.

With absence of Germany, Serbs would be nation of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs. Germany/Germanics insited to support croatization of Catholic Serbs.

With absence of Germanics, Serbs wouldn`t be weakened before Turkish invasion on Europe and Serbians would be able to prevent Turkish invasion on Slavic world and Western civilization.


Slavija is reality and EU is world of matrix, created by those who rule over Slavs

How do you know this, Crow? Would I be right in saying that Serbia would have gone to war anyway over a Croatian declaration of independence? My understanding is that Karadzic was a man obsessed with territory, as was Mladic. I remember Mladic producing that map in Athens in 1993 and Milosevic was powerless to stop them. He sat there sheepishly with the then Montenegran leader. Germany merely precipitated/accelerated events against the will of NATO.

What about your ability to start nonsense threads like this one.

thread isn`t nonsensical. For me, Poland is core of Western world and Warsaw rightfuly can expect to become capital of eventualy formed Slavic Confederation

i am sorry that you see this thread as nonsense


Karadzic and Mladic (leaders of local Bosnian Serbs) were not obsessed with territory. They appeared on public scene after Bosnian Muslim leader published his extreme Islamic declaration and after Croatian leader underlined Croatian continuity with extreme WWII ustashe movement. Milosevic becomes popular in Serbia after Kosovo Albanians (with support of Albania) openly rebbeled against Serbian state and started process of separtion.

Extreme options of Bosnian Muslims, Croatia and Albania were and are supported by EU and NATO. It would stay written in history.


Germany polliticaly innitiated Civil War in former Yugoslavia. On terain, NATO and armed EU personal attacked Yugoslavia. Then, Yugoslav federal army collapsed, Serbia tried to resist and was demonized in media and finaly punished.

Crow's idea of a pan-Slavic confederation led by Poland is absurd for the forseeble future. Yet, the idea is not such in the long run. We simply can't tell if that will happen or will not happen. We may speculate and so it is just what Crow does. If you call it nonsense, I shall remind you that once Russia didn't even exist as a state and when you had told someone in the Middle Ages she would have become a superpower, you might well have been accused of talking nonsense as well (burned alive or beheaded, too).

Is there any sign that Slavic states will leave EU or EU will collapse ?

i won`t say that way. But, there is notable trend. Listen, its not secret...

seams that Slavs inside of EU subordinate on some level and seams that they expect Poland to do something in dirrection of further closer cooperation. Probably, Slavic inteligentsia and people becoming tired of constant foreign dictates. It is also connected with processes of globalization in the world. Slavs tend to try to survive as unique civilization.

Something would happen, for sure. What exactly, some Slavic union inside of EU or independant Slavic Confederation, i can`t say. When? i believe, in our lives

My reaction is not only about this thread, I understand what you mean and I agree with you many things in the future is unforseeble.

Still gets my vote. What have you against Plock, crow?

This is one of the reasons I like Crow the most on this forum :)
He gives complements in a hidden way!

While Westernrns just say: Poland is USA's b!tch
and that it cannot be more of anything
ofc optimists say they may become a economic power... that's all from them!
I just have the sweetiest dreams after I read some of Crow's posts!

I often see Serbs and Poles and there is great similarity to pass unnoticed.There is the same slavic type,one way or another,same fashion,appearance,Weltanschauung,lots of similar things.

problem is starting point of thinking

Slavs who are Westerners live in a world of matrix that was forcible imposed on their ancestors during era of slavery

in reality, only Slavs dirrectly inherit from original Danubian civilization that was foundator of Western world. Only Slavs speaks their ancient, original and native language. Latin, Greak, Franch, German, English, Spanish,... all are late linguistic formations,... all are created by the later influence of non-Western cultures and peoples.

Slavs. They are last European natives loyal to original Western heritage.

In a global vilage, Slavs have right to survive as unique civilization.

Crow

Crow, my good man, pls tell me why you always completely ignore the fact that Poland is a member of the EU and that this very EU will never allow Poland nor any other Slavic state within her borders to form a confederation with non-EU members? Heck, even Serbia is considered to be a future member of the EU. And besides, you never gave me your opinion about a pssbl Serbian membership of the EU.

Another besides: so according to you, Europe is actually Slavic and all Western ppl are derived from them, so is their language? Do I understand that right?

M-G (will never happen - Slavic confederation)

i have come from Grafima fair in Belgrade- Serbia, yesterday

among others there was a lot of Slovenians and Slovaks. They all expect to see closer Polish-Serbian cooperation. That`s what i can tell you in short

And these ppl decide on the highest political levels?

M-G (wonders in what circles Crow moves)

Polish and Serbian Slavs are under occupation. That`s not secret

also, its not secret that Serbians were first to resist to occupation. Its in our nature to be first to fight, to resist bravely to all kind of sh**


of course not

but, don`t underestimate talks in between important bussines consultations. Never underestimate bussines people

Crow, what's so precious about Slavs? Why not have normal partnerships? If Poles argue with decisions from Warsaw, how do you imagine Belgrade to react? Or has Belgrade been weakened by the loss of Milosevic? Tadic doesn't get the press that Milosevic did ;) ;) ;)

being Slavic is so interesting and beautiful


i`m all for it


how? democraticaly, of course

bdw, arguing is desirable


nothing can`t weaken Belgrade. Nobody can`t harm Singidunum

Belgrade would be always Belgrade, Serbs would be always Serbs. Serbs have their role

Thank you for your answer, Crow. But, tell me, what would your point of view be on Serbia joining the EU eventually? You know there have been talks about that already...

Seanus

Milosevic made even the Serbs see that one can go too far and then they kick them out, because that's what Serbs do :) They couldn't kill him like they did with a couple of kings, but it's the moral equivalent.

M-G (curious)

And what if Warsaw started to become overly friendly with Croatia? Do you really think the Sejm has the same vision as Belgrade? What would be they key priorities of such a confederation? How would you stand up to Germany, the US and the UK?

why do you insist? why you refuse to understand?

Serbia would probably become part of EU. Is it what you want me to tell you?

of course, it would be so. Portion of Serbian lands was also part of Austro-Hungaria,... all to the first opportunity. Whan opportunity occured, Serbian inteligentsia innitiated scenario for complete Slavic liberation from foreign rule.

what i want to tell you,... Serbs are under occupation, recently conquored by EU and NATO. So, there won`t be any joining of Serbia to EU or even to NATO. It won`t be joining no matter how our domestic or world politicians formulate and describe process of Serbian `joining` to EU. It would be simple anexion of Serbian lands in order to secure control over Serbians.

EU and NATO would give a try to prevent what happened to Austro-Hungaria. They don`t like Serbian ideas of Slavic feedom. They hate us, demonized us in media and devastated us in open attack. They sent mujaheedine on our children

But, they are aware of it. EU know it. Serbs would s*** them AT A FIRST OPPORTUNITY

And what do you make of the recent move by the Slovenes to lift the blockade on the Croats? How would Serbia be affected if Croatia joined?

M-G, Crow is right about the Mujas and how they were assembled from various Arabic nations. The one-world government movement notion cannot be met with resistance from 'stubborn' (aka heroic) nations like Serbia.

Viva la resistance!

I insist because I wanted your personal view on things. Well, you gave that. But how do you explain that your government is actually having talks with the EU about the issue of joining? I am sure you are aware of the efforts of the Serbian government to have Serbia get rid of the "rogue-state" image Serbia has at the moment. A sure-fire sign they want to is the handing over of Serbian war-criminals to the international court in the Hague in recent years. And, once incorporated in the EU, Serbia cannot scr*w them anymore, because that would mean they would cut their own fingers. Why would the be so rebellious when most of the Serbs know that it's better to be part of the family than to go back to the patchwork of (small) states that can't stand each other and wars occur all over again?

Serbia shouldn't be alone, she should be part of a bigger picture. After all, all the mischief Serbia has caused in the past, was only because the felt alone all the time.

Seanus

Of course he is on that part. I know my history :) Yes, that's a good question as Croatia is scheduled to become part of the EU in 2012 as far as I know.

M-G (really wants what's best for Serbia)

what i know, Poland never supported croatization of Catholic Serbs that occured during Austrian occupation of Dalmatia, Slavonia, Baranja, Dubrovnik, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Polish inteligentsia never supported Croatian violance over cultural heritage of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs. Poland never supported Croatian genocide over Serbs. Why would Poland do that?

Both- Catholic and Orthodox Serbian rulers were loyal partners to old Polish warlords and Kings. In vast numbers Serbs died for Poland, fighting against Teutons. In vast numbers Poles died to support Serbs and all Balkan Slavs in their resistance to Turks.

Fighting agaisnt ruling English, Franch and German schemes and fighting against Austro-Hungaria in WWI, Serbians aranged beggining of Polish liberation and creation of modern Poland. Free, independant and Slavic Poland wasn`t how France, England and Germany sow Polish future. They were for Poland by the so called Kanopisht pact- Poland of anti-Poland, non-Slavic Poland.

Would you vote for Warsaw ahead of Moscow, Crow? What factors would influence your decision? Remember, Poland is in NATO and Russia, of course, isn't.