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Polish bishop caught with 2,5 promille


sobieski  
22 Oct 2012 /  #1
I wonder where he got so drunk at 14:00, and also why he was driving in civil clothes?
I thought these guys always have to be in cleric garb?
David_18  
22 Oct 2012 /  #2
Nothing new really ;)
OP sobieski  
22 Oct 2012 /  #3
But it is always them preaching about moralities :)
Ziemowit  
22 Oct 2012 /  #4
I thought these guys always have to be in cleric garb?

Not always, of course. Why do you think so?

I wonder where he got so drunk at 14:00, and also why he was driving in civil clothes?

As to the hour of his drunkness, the bishop was observing the old PRL communist tradition which assumed that no one should be drunk before 13:00, so the selling of alhohol was not allowed prior to that hour. The bishop then thought that driving drunk at 14:00 should perhaps be OK. [By the way, it seems to me that the Belgian standards are even more resrictive on that than those of the PRL since you assume that everyone has to be sober even as late as 14:00)

Apparently, the bishop seems to be an alcohol-dependent person which fact he openly admits by saying "my intention is to seek professional help as soon as possible".
OP sobieski  
22 Oct 2012 /  #5
Not always, of course. Why do you think so?

It was a presumption from my part :)

In Belgium, there is a kind of "social convention" you do not drink alcohol before 12:00. I do not know why this is exactly.
delphiandomine  
22 Oct 2012 /  #6
Apparently, the bishop seems to be an alcohol-dependent person which fact he openly admits by saying "my intention is to seek professional help as soon as possible".

I think celibacy does cause much of this - the guys have no (legal) partners and no-one to talk to, so they hit the bottle instead. It's a shame - I can think of at least 2 priests who clearly have had problems at some point in the past.
OP sobieski  
23 Oct 2012 /  #7
It seems the good bishop gets away with some "community service". Already decided after two days. Normal sentence would be two years of jail.

Bob Polonius, where is you opinion on this one?
Do you think this bishop will participate in the ONR 11-11 march? He has the mentality for it.
delphiandomine  
23 Oct 2012 /  #8
It seems the good bishop gets away with some "community service". Already decided after two days. Normal sentence would be two years of jail.

What a disgrace. That level of alcohol should be instant jail time or compulsory rehab (at his expense) - not some sort of community service!

Bob Polonius, where is you opinion on this one?

He's silent as always when it comes to these things ;)
Harry  
23 Oct 2012 /  #10
That level of alcohol should be instant jail time or compulsory rehab (at his expense) - not some sort of community service!

If the bishop had any decency at all, he would ask what sentence Jan Kowalski (of equal previous form, or lack thereof, as the bishop) would receive for this crime and then announce that he would only plead guilty if he was given at least that sentence.

But instead yet again we see that while the RCC says that all men are equally, some men are slightly more equal than others.
delphiandomine  
23 Oct 2012 /  #11
But that would imply not using political influence for personal gain!

But instead yet again we see that while the RCC says that all men are equally, some men are slightly more equal than others.

Not a surprise in the slightest.

If he had any decency at all, he would resign his duties and revert to being an ordinary priest on the grounds of setting a bad example to the followers. The crap about putting his fate in the Pope's hands is meaningless when we all know that the Vatican won't do anything.
Grzegorz_  
24 Oct 2012 /  #12
Already decided after two days.

Source ?
Harry  
24 Oct 2012 /  #13
Apparently the deal is not completely done yet. The bishop has accepted the sentence proposed by the prosecutor but there's still a chance that the court will demonstrate that all men are equal before the law.

The defendant is an auxiliary bishop in the Warsaw archdiocese, but owing to Poland's privacy laws, his full name may not be disclosed.
The bishop, named only as Piotr J., has already agreed to submit to a sentence proposed by the prosecution, and if the court accepts the sentence, he will be banned from driving for four years and will have to perform twenty hours of community service per month over a period of eight months.
"This is an adequate punishment," commented Warsaw prosecutor Malgorzata Gawarecka, in a interview with the Polish Press Agency (PAP).

This really will be an absolute disgrace if he gets off so lightly.
Ironside  
24 Oct 2012 /  #14
Do you think this bishop will participate in the ONR 11-11 march? He has the mentality for it.

What is your beef with Oval Racing News? I think you have mentality for it! Your thoughts are going in circles - don't you feel dizzy?

If the bishop had any decency at all, he would ask what sentence Jan Kowalski (of equal previous form, or lack thereof, as the bishop) would receive for this crime and then announce that he would only plead guilty if he was given at least that sentence.

If you had any decency at all you would not post in this thread. Your suggestions confirm that you are living in the VR.

If he had any decency at all, he would resign his duties and revert to being an ordinary priest on the grounds of setting a bad example to the followers.

the same go for you, worry about your followers if you have any.
Problem with likes of you that you would love to have followers and influence like the RCC but without being part of the RCC. Your war is colored by the seethed jealousy.

This really will be an absolute disgrace if he gets off so lightly.

Cannot restrain yourself from posting and posting in this thread whereas there is nothing new to comment on??
I would suggest that you suffer from mania. Stop using the RCC as pinata for your frustration.

As for the topic: whats to comment? He did it, admitted it and will be punished.
Unlike politicians and their friends who get away Scot free.
Walker  
24 Oct 2012 /  #15
Polish bishop caught with 2,5 promille

lucky man
OP sobieski  
24 Oct 2012 /  #16
He did it, admitted it and will be punished.

He will not be punished. He will get off lightly, as opposite to ordinary Polish people in this situation who would (rightly so) severely be punished.

What is 8 months of "community service" in his case? And the prosecutor after barely 2 days telling this should suffice?
And lying his fate in the hands of the pope....
The hypocrisy of the Polish church is breathtaking.
Ironside  
24 Oct 2012 /  #17
He will not be punished.

That is only your speculation.

The hypocrisy of the Polish church is breathtaking.

What hypocrisy? Do they say that it is all right for a bishop to drink and drive?
BBman  
24 Oct 2012 /  #18
But instead yet again we see that while the RCC says that all men are equally, some men are slightly more equal than others.

Only a fool believes there is equality. Think of all the wealthy people that get away with crime thanks to their money and ability to hire top notch lawyers. Under communism priests always got away with drinking and driving, most police officers would not dare arrest them.

I can only hope he gets a tough sentence.

I can think of at least 2 priests who clearly have had problems at some point in the past.

Delphi, the brit in poland who seems to know everyone.
delphiandomine  
24 Oct 2012 /  #19
Delphi, the brit in poland who seems to know everyone.

BBMan, the one who sneers at Poland from his high and lofty perch in Canada.

Do they say that it is all right for a bishop to drink and drive?

Anyone in a similarly high profile public position would find themselves being invited to resign after such an incident.

As I said - he should resign his duties and revert to being an ordinary priest. That's the least he could do - instead o throwing it into the long grass of the Vatican where it will be ignored/forgotten.
Ironside  
25 Oct 2012 /  #20
As I said - he should resign his duties and revert to being an ordinary priest.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that wouldn't be your concern, right?

Under communism priests always got away with drinking and driving, most police officers would not dare arrest them.

Thank you for your input into mindset of communist militia officers. Would you care to share where your information comes from? Personal Experiences perhaps?
By the way, why would you spread false informations?
delphiandomine  
25 Oct 2012 /  #21
Correct me if I'm wrong but that wouldn't be your concern, right?

Perhaps it is. I don't like to see the RCC hurt by selfish individuals, especially as it hurts many of the good ones in the process.

Personal Experiences perhaps?

Family experiences, I suspect.

By the way, why would you spread false informations?

Indeed, I wonder where his source is. By everything that I've read, the Militia would seize upon such incidents to either prosecute or blackmail priests.
BBman  
25 Oct 2012 /  #22
BBMan, the one who sneers at Poland from his high and lofty perch in Canada.

You and harry are the ones who sneer at poland/poles/polonia. You 2 clowns act like you're on a "high and lofty perch" in poland just because you're foreigners. And you've both been banned for it too ... many times.

lol you have to admit though, you do say "i personally know ...." quite often on here. Most of these people you claim to know are not real.

By the way, why would you spread false informations?

Get off the forum, move outside of your anglo circle of friends and just ask some middle aged+ Poles, they'll tell you.
delphiandomine  
25 Oct 2012 /  #23
Most of these people you claim to know are not real.

Tell you what, come to Poznan. We can meet all the people I've mentioned, and we can place 100zl on each person existing or not existing.

Then again, what would you know, Canuck?

You and harry are the ones who sneer at poland/poles/polonia.

Yes yes. How many times have you posted offensive stuff about Poles being this and Poles being that? Countless times.

Get off the forum, move outside of your anglo circle of friends and just ask some middle aged+ Poles, they'll tell you.

Ironside's been out of Poland for countless years, so it would seem that he has real first hand knowledge - unlike you. I mean, the rantings of a deranged peasant Babcia are not to be relied on.
Harry  
25 Oct 2012 /  #24
That is only your speculation.

No, it is not speculation, it is fact. As has already been stated here, the bishop has (unless the court notice that this sentence is a farce, which is highly unlikely) got away with a sentence far lighter than that imposed on the average person who gets caught driving while that drunk. It is a shame that you cannot spend more time reading the posts in threads and less time lying about and attacking the other posters.

He did it, admitted it and will be punished.

Did he admit it? Or did he only admit it after he'd been caught and proven to be drunk?
As for the alleged politicians, care to name any names or are you just making things up yet again?

Under communism priests always got away with drinking and driving, most police officers would not dare arrest them.

I notice that you have already been asked to support that statement and have already failed to do so. Could that be because you know that you've been caught talking utter rubbish yet again?

You and harry are the ones who sneer at poland/poles/polonia.

No, we sneer at racists, bigots and offensive morons. Have you noticed us sneering at you?

You 2 clowns act like you're on a "high and lofty perch" in poland just because you're foreigners.

You mean we live here and have done for years and that is part of the reason we know far more about this country than you do.

just ask some middle aged+ Poles, they'll tell you.

You want to claim you have done that? Really?
Ironside  
26 Oct 2012 /  #25
nyone in a similarly high profile public position would find themselves being invited to resign after such an incident.

Vatican may not accept his resignations.

Perhaps it is. I don't like to see the RCC hurt by selfish individuals, especially as it hurts many of the good ones in the process.

You are a star, such selfless individual with big hearth.

just ask some middle aged+ Poles, they'll tell you.

I already did, my Pole says-it is BS! What say yours?

As has already been stated here, the bishop has (unless the court notice that this sentence is a farce, which is highly unlikely) got away with a sentence far lighter than that imposed on the average person who gets caught driving while that drunk.

You have statistics and links ready, I suppose?

It is a shame that you cannot spend more time reading the posts in threads and less time lying about and attacking the other posters.

That is something you would never do - right?

Did he admit it? Or did he only admit it after he'd been caught and proven to be drunk?

He didn't resist arrest and he admit it. Couldn't admit it before anything happened.

As for the alleged politicians, care to name any names or are you just making things up yet again?

All current government and their sidekick in Sejm. They paid mysterious middlemen waddle of money. Those middlemen disappeared with the money. Some construction companies build highways and never seen any money - government is happy, their cronies who disappeared are happy, only people who actually did something and have not been paid are done.
OP sobieski  
26 Oct 2012 /  #26
He didn't resist arrest and he admit it. Couldn't admit it before anything happened.

Hard to resist after you crashed into a lighting pole.
Hard to admit when you are taxed with 2,5%.
Scandalous when already the next day the prosecutor tells 8 months of community service should suffice.
Ziemowit  
4 Jan 2013 /  #27
He will get off lightly, as opposite to ordinary Polish people in this situation who would (rightly so) severely be punished.

As has already been stated here, the bishop has (unless the court notice that this sentence is a farce, which is highly unlikely) got away with a sentence far lighter than that imposed on the average person who gets caught driving while that drunk.

We now hear that the court has acted against the deepest wishes of the two notorious "friends of Poland", sobieskiand Harry, and has turned down the attempt of the bishop to get away with a "8 months of community service" sentence. What is really shameful is that the prosecutor had earlier agreed to the bishop's plea. I shall be informing the forum of the final court ruling in the case.
Dougpol1  
26 May 2016 /  #28
What is really shameful is that the prosecutor had earlier agreed to the bishop's plea. I shall be informing the forum of the final court ruling in the case.

Does anybody know what finally happened to this guy? Just wondering, on this day of Corpus Christi, when we all have to suffer the inane dirge of the litany on the street, which has (fortunately) just departed from outside Dougpol Towers.

Frightened off no doubt by the crescendo of "Voodoo Chile (No return)" rocking down the road:))
Ziemowit  
26 May 2016 /  #29
what finally happened to this guy?

First, since neither of the British posters lamenting over the shameful state of the RCC and the state of the courts in Poland said nothing of the final ruling in the bishop's case, it seems very likely that the sentence wasn't such a farce as it was supposed to be according to those posters.

Second, the info is here, if you can read in Polish:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piotr_Jarecki
dolnoslask  
26 May 2016 /  #30
ay of Corpus Christi, when we all have to suffer the inane dirge of the litany on the street,

Must have been hell for you Doug 20 years odd in Poland and still having to suffer her religion and traditions.

It might help if you find out what the bishop was drinking, it may help with your suffering.

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