Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski"

I'm sure I;m whatever you say but you still are an ass-hole and an idiot sir. Have a good day.

I wouldn't care about it, tbh. I think others would see that it told us far more about the person making the remark than myself.

I'm sure you would.

well let me tell you first of all that as a writer he's not worthy to lick his Dads boots.

I've noticed a decline in the times for a while, we just haven't found a decent newspaper to replace it with, they used to have excellent world news coverage and correctly predicted Kosovo. but now all i read in the times world news is the love life of French politicians.

shame on them for printing this rubbish.

No, It bothers us because he is a filthy, xenophobic piece of shyt and no serious newspaper should publish his filthy crap, especially that they wouldn't dare to publish anything similar If It was about many other ethnic groups, including the one that quasi human Coren belong to.

He caused outrage in Britain, not in Poland, in Poland nobody has mentioned it yet.


Oh really, you lot are not that laid back :) It's enough to say something as innocent as "the English are not very friendly" to make people hypersensitive.

What's interesting I can't recall a single article in Polish newspapers that would categorize and bully people in terms of their nationality the way British media repeatedly do. Last thing I remember was that infamous comment of Kuba Wojewódzki about Ukrainian women - and it caused real outrage among Poles.

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What's interesting I can't recall a single article in Polish newspapers that would categorize and bully people in terms of their nationality the way British media repeatedly do.[/quote]

what
you havent read gazeta polska or others recently?

the rubbish they post about russians and jews is unbelievable

come on delph do not talk politics again 1

Delphi, please provide quotes, thanks in advance.

yes, I second the request

For someone brought up in Britain it might be hard to imagine that there is a country where people don't get so heated up over the subject of race. You won't hear about it on television, you won't read about it in magazines. Maybe there's no audience for the topic? Even the so called nationalistic papers are more pro-Polish than against anybody, it's very different from what you have here. In Britain, in my opinion, there is very little true patriotism today, but a lot of subcutaneous anger at other nations. That's why Polish patriotism is being so easily interpreted as racism by the British - because there is no understanding of what patriotism is and it gets confused with racism.

[*************************** there is no understanding of what patriotism is and it gets confused with racism.[/quote]
indeed, because patriotism (especially English) was frowned upon for many years and equated with the far right, its improved a bit now.
but especially under Blair we were told Scottish & Welsh nationalism =good, English Nationalism = bad
our dear old St George flag was tainted.

i got a st georges day t-shirt when i worked in a charity shop, i forgot i was wearing it when i was in Malta, i was just about to go out with my Maltese GF and i saw this worried look on her face, and she said: you're changing first right?

i did, but perhaps i shouldn't have!

So Coren's stereotype is basically accurate, then?

What stereotype?

I didn't know that. I remember when I first heard about St George's Day and I spoke to my English colleague and asked whether people would celebrate, dress red&white or something like that. And she said no. I myself would dress red&white for St George's Day, why not? I celebrated national days with my Portugese friends and with my South African friends, and Hungarian; and I remember one New Year's Eve when we celebrated New Year 3 times, hour after hour - one Lithuanian, one Polish and one English. I love it. I love it when people are being patriotic, when they tell about history of their countries and what they are proud of.

But I also remember a story my friends told me - how they went to a pub to watch a football match and they had a Polish flag with them spread over back of the chair, and one man came up, pulled the flag and walked over it. I have never heard about something like that happening in Poland, in Poland you can get beaten up if you walk the wrong alley, but nobody will profane your flag, it's like a sacrilege

That Poles are inarticulate 'buraki'. Are some posters on this thread attempting to prove he 'got it right'?

So saying that a filthy xenophobe is actually a filthy xenophobe, makes one a redneck ? Please explain.

If you read the article you will see Coren is trying to portray Poles as being primitive and inarticulate.

If you respond with abuse and aggression you are acting in the manner he would like to portray you.

so when I called you an ******* and an idiot you responded like an ******* and an idiot just to prove your point - sneaky!

As a matter of fact, I didn't.

It's obvious Coren hates Poles.

Therefore, the more you rant and rave, the happier he's going to be.

It proves he hit the target.

If he was eavesdropping on this forum, he'd get the biggest kick of all from your responses.

Yes, not the first time really, that is because he simply is a filthy xenophobe.


I wouldn't respond, If his shytty "column" ended up where it does belong, in the closet, that's what should happen in any civilized country, your defence of this punk is laughable, we both know you wouldn't do that If he was Polish and wrote the same crap about Jews/Africans/Arabs and many others.

It is not about him it is about his type. Little lying scum holding their kosher grudge for ten generations. They don't even know themselves what it was all about but feel free to rant and generalize, it must feel good and then they go and have a cheek to call themselves liberals. Sad dicks.

I see. So Britain's not civilised whereas Poland is.

I'm quite sure you'd be frothing at the mouth in exactly the same manner were some Pole to make fun of foreigners ..... not.

Respond intelligently, and Coren looks stupid. Respond as you're doing now, and Coren's got it spot on.

I agree that the writer is a filthy etc. The article was disgusting stereotyping and insulting. I can't stand when journalists think that freedom of the press is a license to lie, mock and disrespect entire ethnic groups as if their feelings count for nothing. But your hint about how they wouldn't dare insult Jews is not true. They do it all the time. The Times recently ran a cartoon showing Netanyahu cementing a brick wall with the blood of screaming palestinians oozing from between the bricks. It was right out of Der Sturmer. If they feel free to insult me, then they'll feel just as free to insult you. That's how "serious" the Times is.

Maybe Poles are too sensitive. Maybe Jews are too. But when the Times shows it's really no better than the trashy British tabloids, it deserves to be reprimanded. The ambassador's response was great.

The times apologised for the Netanyahu cartoon very quickly, any sign of an apology for Corens piece yet?
I'd love to see the Polish Ambassadors comments, anyone got a link?

write to the times, let them know what you think of them

this seems to be getting worryingly common (anti-polish content in UK press), after reading this thread last night i ordered one of those little Anglo-Polish friendship badges with crossed flags from amazon, a small thing but wouldn't it send a nice message if enough English people wore them?

i'm a little involved in local politics, i declined a chance to stand as a councillor due to health problems. if i get a chance to do anything for the Polish community here, you can rest assured i'll do it

ps: actually may i suggest it may do more good to complain to the press complaints commision than just the times

This applies to many Poles too , they could not return to Poland either . He knows and is well informed by his father that the majority of millions of Polish Jews didn`t speak Polish although they were born in Poland ( with Polish as a native language ) not like the majority of Poles who reside now in England who were born in Poland for whom it is a second language .

In Poland English is not videly known to middle aged people who were taught Russian not English . Younger generation could learn French or German instead of English , so it is very unwise for him to mock his fatherland where Jews lived the same lifes as Poles . Why is there so much of retaliation from Jews ?

Retaliation for what?

I don`t know ,tell me ! Maybe it is retaliation for our extraordinary treatement of Jews for ages in our country . They retaliate because we did not allow them to establish Jewish state within Polish borders - after 1918 , or let them have their own parliament and the Jewish judicial system where only Jewish judges could give judgements for Jews . Funny that they dared to request that from The League of Nations in the Treaty of Versailles1919 .

It's at the very beginning of the thread. To be honest I naively hoped the discussion would be evolving around the ambassador's comment rather than Coren's article...


:) :) soo lovely of you. I'll order some as well. I think little gestures of friendship would do much more than those neverending discussions where both parties are fighting tooth and nail and no one ever gets convinced to the reason of interlocutor

thanks CB88, i missed it in my excitement

his dad Alan Coren was such a great author, i read his "D-Day" article on the 50th anniversary of 6/6/44 and i was laughing so much i couldn't breathe!

i don't think it'll translate well without a load of explanation of all the old UK Brands, i can't find it online anyway

That is a really good reply from the Ambassador, i hope its widely circulated