Why do Polish women prefer foreigners for boyfriends and husbands?

What is "deflection strategy"?


Wha? I didn't drag in any British women. JustysiaS did.


Who's right? Midas? Are you kidding? The man is an idiot or he's so biased that he's not even able to understand what people write to him LOL


I don't deny his freedom to express his views. I just comment on them.


LOL
Oh, I know Seanus that you like those observations. "Court cases" LOL
Seanus, observations are often corrupted by bias. I've seen this many times.
And as for Midas - he's so biased that he almost always interprets what I and zetigrek write to our disadvantage. Only because we're Polish. He's clearly very prejudiced against Polish women. I can imagine that also in real life the way he sees reality is also biased like that. So it's very possible that he interprets women's behaviour and what they says in such an idiotic way as he does it with what I and zetigrek are writing.

Midas' thinking is primitive, he's immature and hateful, full of contempt.
I really doubt his objectivity.
And the fact that you defend him... Well... No comment :)


Oh, but there are enough foreigners to really say that Polish women are sluts? Confusing :)

Seanus, I'd be grateful if you didn't include my name in your posts. I apologized you for my behaviour on this forum and I don't comment on your posts. So I would appreciate if you didn't notice my presence here too. Would that be a problem?


I discussed.


No, on the contrary.

Good girl.

Deflection strategy is where you divert attention away from the thread topic which is about Polish women and not British.

I said by the deflection strategy and didn't specify a name. I didn't say you did it.

There is a defensiveness here and that cannot be denied. It exists!

I didn't quote him on anything, nor did I delve into specific instances of what he mentioned. I just took 2 principles and commented on them (deflection and defensiveness).

Anyone that knows me here knows that I often say 'some do and some don't', 'some are and some aren't' or 'some can and some can't' etc etc. He does seem to have tinges of bias, yes, but isn't he Polish?

Yeah, I don't get that bit either. Maybe it's because I live in a conservative part of the country but I really don't see Polish women as slutty generally. It's largely a myth would be my take on that.

I also don't wish to launch into any personal nonsense at all. I haven't quoted anyone properly in about 2.5 years on the forum, LOL. I was just addressing you as, like it or not, this is a forum where a discussion shouldn't be like leaves blowing in the wind. It should be targetted and civil.

I apologise if you are uncomfortable but I am breaching no etiquette here. You just did comment on my posts ;) ;) Anyways, things will be more on the delicate side and I will go for a balanced perspective at all times.

Oh, thanks for the apology. Gracefully received :) I will also try to keep things on an even keel.

It's not about diverting attention away from the thread topic. It's about opening eyes to one's hipocrisy, double standards and bias.


Seanus... You wrote that I'm "living proof of the deflection strategy employed by so many Poles". So in what way am I a "living proof of the deflection strategy" and at the same time I "didn't do it"? Could you explain this to me?


Where?


You wrote: "They fall without the boundaries of reasonableness and are hardly slanderous enough to merit court cases."


And I disagree with what you write.


You wrote other things too. But I really don't want to go back to discussing it again.


He claims he has a Polish passport. I don't think a piece of paper is enough :) I think he's probably a Jew who was born in Poland. He's more Jewish than Polish, that's for sure.

Besides, being Polish doesn't mean being always right about everything :)))))


Seanus, I'd really appreciate if you didn't address me in your posts in the future. Because I'll start to comment on them and it will get nasty - and I don't want this to happen.

So, please, just leave me alone. It will be better for both of us :)


Because you included my name in your post.

Which you are right to do :) :) You can do it by debunking the myth and exposing it as a fraud. Other nations need not be mentioned.

Yes, I can. You did it in other posts but not the one in question.

In Poland

I stand by that. They are not enough to merit court cases.

You are free to do that.

Perhaps I did, yes.

How can you be so sure that he is Jewish and not Polish?

Well, the nastiness won't come from me which kinda leaves one person ;) ;) I didn't address you this time round. You can't play that card either as this is a forum. The Mods are free to suspend me if they wish but I am doing nothing wrong. Please try and stay on track with the thread.

Once, yes. I will respect you wishes and not post your name again. However, the rest is an open book and I will abide by the rules and stick to the thread. I've made points above on the thread.

because his comments sounds really antipolish.
Many ppl of Jewish ancestry are full of grudge to Poland. I'm not suprised of Midas behaviour. He is manipulative and tried to persuade that its polish culture thing to protitute... It doesnt sound very "patriotic"...

Well, there are different schools on that. Many Russians I discussed with would say that other nations should be mentioned. I think it depends on how you mention them.


Then I disagree that I'm "just living proof of the deflection strategy employed by so many Poles".


It means that when Poles disagree that their women are sluts, they are being defensive? LOL


Seanus, for heaven's sake, I really don't care about court cases :))))) It's not a court and I'm not going to sue anyone LOL


For example, because even when he writes about Polish men, he's doing it as if he wasn't one of them. He did this in this thread, you can check if you want.


It does (though you attacted me first this time :)) and that's why I'm asking you not to comment on my posts.


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I don't play anything. I'm asking you.


They won't suspend you for commenting on my posts LOL That's why I'm aksing you not to do this.


As soon as we'll finish.


What do you mean by "the rest is an open book"?
Seanus, I don't write about you in those discussions which I take part in, I don't write about Scottish people or Scotland now and I'm not going to, I don't even write about British people in fact. It's a big forum, there are many posters here. So would that be so difficult to ignore me? You'll do what you want, but it would be really nice if we just avoided each other...

Please...

Help me out here. How does being Jewish preclude you from being Polish anyway? Judaism is a religion is it not? Can you say 'more Polish than Catholic' or 'more Indian than Hindu'? Of course not.


I agree, hot cheeks. Now go get me a sandwich :)

I'll try :)


Judaism - religion, yes.
Jewish - nationality :)


Judaistic would be the right adjective, I think, not Jewish :)
Jews can be non-believers, you know :)

I don't know, a buddy of mine said his nationality was Israeli as there's no nation called Judea. He was a Jewish Israeli (there are also Arab Israelis).

Um.. Hmm... Well, I'm not sure either, English isn't my native language but I'm quite sure that "Jewish" isn't the same as "judaist":

thefreedictionary.com/Judaist

And I think Midas mentioned in one of the threads that he has two passports: Polish and Jewish.
For me in Polish "Żyd" is a nationality, and "Izraelczyk" more of "a citizen of Israel", I guess, and so the same in English: "a Jew" is a nationality, and "Israeli" - "a citizen of Israel".

In fact, in Polish "Izraelczycy" sounds more ancient because it's similar to "Izraelici", as in the Bible ;)
But, as I wrote, I'm no native speaker of English and I don't know how Jews like to call themselves in English :)

First time I read sb prefering jewish women to polish ones.

Paulina, you are probably still a child ( many of your arguments are childish in the extreme ) and many of the things you say make no sense.

What I quoted is one of them. It basically isn't your cup of coffee to tell me whether I'm more Polish or more Jewish. Like it or not, I have two passports.

What You are doing is much akin to what some Polish people did during World War II. "Hey Mr Nazi! My neighbour isn't really a Pole! He's a Polish citizen, but he's a Jew! Please take him away so my aunt can move into his place!"

Other than that I pointed out, and surprise, I'm not the only one to say so, that there is a defensive mechanism pretty much unique to Poles. Simply put, few Brits accused of being thieves would retort by claiming their French neighbors steal as well.

Its so called ethnicity. Paulina check in the dictionary, polish word narodowość doesn't mean the same as english nationality.

There is a first time for everything, I guess.


What I quoted is by no means a manipulative sentence. During World War II many Polish People helped to save the lives of Jews who were under constant peril of death because of the blood in their veins. Tens of thousands of Poles risked everything to do so. And when I write everything I do mean it, because Poland during World War II wasn't France or Belgium, if You got caught sheltering Jews in Poland the Nazis would march You outside and execute You and Your family by the walls of Your very home. A terrible risk.

Still one has to remember that there are always two sides of every coin. A visible amount of Poles were anti-semites back then and didn't exactly like their Polish-Jewish neighbors even before 1939. Please recall the writings of a certain Mr Roman Dmowski. The attitude of such people was VERY similiar to what Paulina displayed:

"Are You Polish? Or are You Jewish? You can't be both! Make up Your mind"

Or even:

"You can never be Polish because You have Jewish blood! Change Your religion, get a passport, marry into a Polish family, no matter, You will always be a Jew!"

When the Nazis came some of these Polish anti-semites acted upon their beliefs, sometimes selling whole Jewish families to Nazis for nothing more than a pat on the head.

You may deny, but these are the facts.

How come presenting the facts is manipulation?

Another manipulative sentence by you. I've already said that u, Midas, are full of grudges.

As a polishman you should know that in poland we distinguish citizenship from ethnicity. You have two fields to fill in ur papers...
Sorry its not France.


It seems that u r not long enough on his forum...

Well, I can start with a big ????????? to a certain someone and move on.

I think some Polish women like foreign men who can speak their language too. My wife speaks near perfect English but, for some reason, doesn't like to use it. 99% of the time, she speaks to me in Polish and I either reply in Polish or in English, depending on our company or my energy. I won't speak English to her brother's child (only 1.5) unless he asks me too. He is a pure Pole and will have Polish spoken to him unless his parents deem otherwise. It would make sense for him to learn English but all in good time.

I know that what I write makes no sense to you, but the fact that you don't understand what write and misinterpret it, doesn't make my arguments childish :)

You just don't get them.


I'm not telling you :) I wrote what I think about you :)
You seem not to think of yourself as a Polish man, I could see that in your posts. So where's the problem? :)


I don't mind you having two or three passports - those are just pieces of paper. You don't have to have a Polish passport to be Polish, and having Polish passport not always means that you're Polish.


No, it is not. I would say the same about a Russian, German or Englishman behaving like you do.


Some Jews viewed themselves like that (a Polish citizen, but a Jew), some Jews considered themselves Polish (Bronisław Geremek was probably like that) and I don't have a problem with this. I have a problem with you :)

And before you jump into any conclusion - I totally condemn anything bad that was done to Jews by Poles during the war and after.

You can always by simply Jewish-Polish, I guess, but I don't see this in your case.


It's not unique to Poles. Russians also do that. Are Russians Polish? :)


They wouldn't be accused of being thieves in the first place. Maybe something more probable?

I think that not only polish women like foreigners who speak their language but Poles overally.
I have to say Sean that I'm really impressed of you being able to speak polish, that u found so much obstinacy to learn such a difficult language which is not common language either. Yep its certainly for big plus yo u and that means also that u r really capable person. :)


let Midas say "I'm a Polishman" not "I have polish passport" and it would be ok then.

I think it helps when you try your best to speak the local language, especially in a relatively small city like Gliwice. Besides, please answer me one question without being overly philosophical. What were you born for? I always say that we are born to experience in all manner of forms and part of that process involves learning languages. It gives you a new way of seeing things, of articulating and generally of communicating. I'm really working hard on breaking some of my students out of the mould of thinking in Polish, esp when it comes to things like prepositions. It's a trap that they often fall into. It's a work in progress.

Furthermore, I also see it as being polite. Brits have this reputation (largely deserved) of being lazy with languages. There are so many languages out there so why not give one or two foreign languages a real good crack of the whip? I was made to learn French without really ever intending to go there. I wanted to go to Japan and learned it fairly fluently (to a good conversational level). I lived in a city of 88,500 people (Izumo), then Hiroshima. Those first 9 months (in Izumo) meant I was thrown in at the deep end but I secured the basics before going (functional shop language, greetings etc) and worked my way up from there. If I can learn Japanese, I guess I can learn Polish. A lot comes through patience and not expecting instant results.

Finally, I can't imagine how things would be were my Polish to be basic. My Polish family expect a certain standard and I can't disappoint. They don't speak English well enough to communicate to me. It's all about moving yourself to make the lives of others easier, sth I'm very aware of for those that merit it.

No, I'm not saying that one can't be both. I just don't see this in you.

It's appreciated in all countries.

Try to go to the countryside in France and speak English. Probably you wouldn't success even if they actually would know English.

Absolutely! Even as a token gesture, SwP. My German is limited but enough to get me around and ask for prices etc. I did this when I was in Vienna and the Austrian girl appreciated it. I no doubt made a little mistake with it but, then again, Germans make mistakes according to Austrians ;) ;) ;) She then tried a bit of English :)

This can lead to instant liking and an understanding that self can be seen in a broader context. Thinking in another language should be seen as a positive and not a chore.

In France? Not a chance! I wouldn't have success and likely wouldn't succeed in Paris either. I've heard they are highly resistant but may be more open to Scots given the Auld Alliance between us :)

Well, this sounds like a different planet to someone living in Poland ;) Women here still don't get the same amount of money as men do for their work.


That's probably true, although I don't know the statistics.
This sounds unfair.
On the other hand, I have an impression that men like it this way, as they usually don't want to be left with kids. I suspect that some Polish men wouldn't even know how to take care of a child, as often women do this (and they work and they care of the house at the same time).

Men probably move on and find themselves a younger woman ;) Or am I being stereotypical about this? ;)


I didn't know about this.


Yes, I've also watched such a documentary. If this isn't done nobody would want the girl for a wife.
My mum also always told me that I should learn to cook, because I'm a woman :) She never told my brother that he should learn to cook.


I'll try. I have some problems with this, I admit. It's difficult for me to imagine that a man can be discriminated against ;) Some Poles complain about feminists, but that's all you can hear from men in Poland, I guess ;)


Well, you're a man :P
;)

I like position of man in polish society.It seems enpowering.

I guess u have never met any married people in Poland?

You mean the husband carries his wife by leash?

This video is funny, Polish people like people from Spain, Brazil, Italy and France. They don't like Germans, the presenter said it is because they don't smell so good! Ouch :-)

It is interesting though, on Polish forums many guys like the idea of Polish women, Polish women like the idea of Spanish, Brazilian, Italian and French people, I wonder who the Spanish, Brazilian, Italian and French like the idea of.

youtu.be/kvcJuV_CWa4