I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland

Alright, I'll try really really hard. I've begun to concentrate now.........


Can you name some? I suspect that you reinterpret what you don't like into something completely different.


Must you go down the "your mother" road? Are you that barren of real dialogue? (I'll leave your mother out of this because I am much more gracious than you).


My neighbor is 175 years old. But you should see his grandmother.


...and yet, you still verbalize about me. Hmmm, interesting.


Another "mother'" reference eh? You deserve a spanking. Let me know when you're in town.


I've rarely been treated to such strong personal projection. I'll look forward to your future comments about me. You can't help yourself, right?

l have child in poland l am in turkey can l go to poland

Sure, as long as you have a visa.

You have a child in a different country? Well, here are some reasons why women prefer to raise a child by themselves:
inmalafide.com/blog/2011/10/17/the-narcissism-of-single-motherhood-straight-from-the-horses-mouth

Note the extremely high immaturity level noted under 'reasons'. Yet, these women are raising children?? Shocking. The comments section is worth reading as well.

Dear readers,

I am talking on behalf of a friend of mine who is suffering the same dilemma as Kurt, except is doesn't live in UK or Poland. The marriage certificate was issued from a foreign registry office in Egypt with that international marriage certificate the polish wife certified it in Poland to give herself the right to be known married. the husband has never lived in Poland as she was settled with him in egypt after 3 years of marriage she decided to take the children to poland and milk the poor man for money which he never refused to supply... after another 3 years of maintenance the mother of two wants the ex-husband to get her a descent flat plus a higher monthly maintenance and went further in rising the issue to the courts and sending letters to egypt to confirm that the father has received them. The question now, what can a Polish law do to harm him financially knowing that he never applied for a polish citizenship and doesn't have the intention to do so... All he wants is have a access to the children once or twice a year plus a friendly mutual money transfer every month.

He is worried now that his parents have signed the papers sent from her sollicitor asking him officially for a regular monthly maintenance and providing a residency to the mother and children plus asking him to sign a declaration giving the mother the total authority with the children ... I had a look at the international law when it comes to foreigners married to european citizens... Still this is beyond my capacity of understanding. This gentleman has gone ahead and signed a divorce petition in the same registry office in egypt just because in the islamic law a woman can be divorced even in her absence.

I would be grateful if you could help me out on this matter and your advices will be extremely valued.

Best regards,

Wardah.

Hmm, tricky.

As Egypt has signed up to the Hague convention, a Polish court should in theory recognise a judgment issued by an Egyptian court with regard to a divorce. So if your friend can get a valid divorce done before his wife does, that will in theory be the binding one. So he really needs to get a move on with that.

However, with that said, a Polish court might well decide to completely ignore the Egyptian court's ruling and make one of its own (Polish courts are famed for that). While having a prior ruling from an Egyptian court will mean that no financial rulings can be enforced on your friend, he might well find that his access is severely limited.

You jest, right?

Or is it one of those situations in which an Arabic person is treating foreigners like complete suckers?

Egyptians are very well known for seducing dumb and naive women ( nowadays mostly women from Eastern Europe, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, that lot ) in order to gain EU residency. They are also not above blatantly lying to such women to get cash ( they text them to send 3.000 dollars because the Egyptian guy's mom is supposedly ill, lol ).

Here's a documentary that deals with it ( first part, links to parts 2 and 3 available there ):

dailymotion.com/video/xh17oj_darling-i-lowe-ju-1-3_lifestyle

Here's the ( extremely funny due to the level of absurd, only available for Polish speakers ) link to the topic about "Egyptian lovers" on the Polish forum for women called "kafeteria". It got closed after the documentary I linked was released, but the old content is still available:

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/f,24864,Faceci_z_Egiptu.html

Basically Egyptian guys are notorious for using women from Eastern Europe as tickets to the EU. Also, they hardly ever pay ANY child support, because back on planet Earth where we all live people in Poland earn halfway decent wages and people in Egypt get paid in peanuts, fish scales and bird droppings.

So Egyptian guys employed in Egypt usually don't pay alimony to their Eastern European "brides" because THEY CAN'T BLOODY AFFORD IT.

So don't feed us bullshit.


Again, you either write blatant lies or have no knowledge of the topic whatsoever.

The average price of an apartment in Warsaw, Cracow, Wroclaw, Gdansk or any other major metropolitan area in Poland is such that a person employed on an Egyptian wage will not be able to purchase one even if that person worked for 50 years. Last time I looked at the real estate market in Mokotow, Warsaw, the pads were pretty much as pricey as the ones in Miami, Florida. You don't see many Egyptians buying those either.


Right, that would be a first.


And that of course you find all fine and dandy, but if a Polish girl's lawyer has the audacity to actually have court summons sent to Egypt then it is of course, an outrage.


There is nothing to help "your friend" out with here, a ruling of a Polish court, even a one establishing some alimony payments is, as we both know, hardly worth the paper it is written on in Egypt and the peanuts "your friend" earns are VERY safe from that Polish girl, as long as he earns them in Egypt and not in Poland or the UK.

She probably just found some sucker in Poland willing to take her in after her "Egyptian vacation" and needs to get the divorce done asap with some judge signing off on the sentence that will say her ex-husband is fully liable for the dissolution of marriage ( "orzeczenie o pelnej winie" ) so that her freshly-found Polish sucker is satisfied.

Dear Middas,
My friend is marketing manager in Pepsi company in riyath, he earns his living with dollars, he is a very genuine man I must admit and he is willing to support her as long as she stops going behind his back and come with some sly documents and threats. she lived with him in riyath for three years and then had an affair with a polish guy that's why he had to divorce her, but for a three years solid he hasn't stopped supporting her financialy because of the children he loves most... It was never a holiday fling. He comes from a wealthy family too so he is not after anything, the proof he never sought polish citizenship.

Still I agree with you when it comes to the youth that target foreign girls for convenience, except he is not of them this time.

Thank you for enlightening me anyways... and by the way I am just trying to help as a friend I am a mum myself and I don't appreciate divorce or blackmailing either.

Thank you Harry for your prompt response, I shall inform him asap.
He has already issued the divorce and is sending it to the court he is meant to attend on february this year.
Now is he really liable by Polish court to sustain her financially and supply a place for her and the kids though he hasn't lived with them for three years?

Really complicated :S

Yes. He will have to pay child support regardless.

However, the court in Poland should accept whatever ruling has been issued by the Egyptian court. Should, but may well not.

1) We both know that a court in Egypt, a muslim country, with the judge being most likely male, will not choose to enforce a ruling of a court in Poland that was issued on behalf of some female Polish non-muslim "sharmouta" if it would harm a God-fearing muslim male, so let's stop beating about the bush.

Egyptian guys have a downright bad reputation in Poland at the moment ( please see the documentary I linked up ) and the girl probably needs a divorce ruling obtained quickly in which a Polish judge will say that she's a pure virgin without a fault, so she can placate some Polish sucker willing to take her in after her x years of "vacation" in Egypt.

2)


Only if he wants to, the ruling of a Polish court isn't IMO enforceable in Egypt.

3)


Do you mean Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia? ( not that it changes anything, the Kingdom is even more pro-muslim and anti-female than Egypt ).

4)


I'm sorry, but filing an appropriate petition in a court of law is a perfectly proper solution in terms of dissolving a marriage and she can't be viewed as a backstabbing person if she's just doing that. It is called protecting one's rights and there's nothing dastardly about it.

5)


I find it hard to believe, since the number of Polish guys in Egypt and in Riyadh, S.A. is negligible and Polish girls who go for Arabic blokes usually consider Polish guys chimpanzees not worthy of their attention.

But ok, it is his story and let's assume it is true.

6)


He's not doing anyone a favour by paying child support, but ok, it does put him in a favorable light when compared to most Egyptian guys who "broke off their ties" with their Polish women.

7)


You mean the Egyptian divorce? He should obtain in a lot quicker then she obtains divorce in Poland, but whether a Polish court will honor such a ruling is anyone's guess, methinks the answer is "no".

8)


The Polish court may issue a ruling for him to sustain her financially if he's found to be the solely guilty party in a divorce case.

Notice that I wrote her, as I'm now referring to a ruling in which he's supposed to pay alimony for: a) the children and b) his former wife. That's what the girl's gunning for, but I think her true intentions fall along the lines I described in 1) above.

But I don't think he has to worry even if such a verdict is reached, provided he makes his money in Egypt ( or Riyadh, Saudi Arabia ), because a ruling from the Polish court can only be used as toilet paper in those parts.

If he has assets in Europe she might go after them, but that's pretty much it.

Harry -


Splendid idea.

Thank you Middas,

I am really grateful, and do feel a bit ashamed because of all this hustle. I can just assure you that he would continue money regardless the Polish court would asks him to or not.

But after all she is a mum and she should protects herself and the kids' future, "agree" and him as a dad he has an obligation towards them.

He just wished she could stop listening to others and maintain a friendly relationship with him for the sake of the children ...

The polish guy was in Poland at the time, and she was caught texting him. Women tend to do some silly things sometimes.

Well my friend should be reassured when it comes to bureaucracy, and if I could speak and y polish I would have spoken to this lady and asked her to take it easy asnd friendly with her ex... she will earn his support and maintenance that way.

many thanks

wardah

No problem.


Yes, although we both know that at times maintaining friendly relationships after a marriage/stable relationship falls apart is impossible.

I personally think ( which is why I mentioned the prices ) that if she really expects the guy to buy her a flat in Poland ( which can cost more than a house in America these days ) then she's quite simply mad and should see a doctor.

I don't think your "friend" has anything to worry about regarding a possible sentence from the Polish court ( as I mentioned muslim countries and European family courts rarely see eye to eye ), but if he's that worried he probably should meet up with a lawyer in his place of main residence ( Riyadh or Egypt ) and ask about the enforceability of sentences handed down by European courts in his area of main residence.

More likely then not that he'll hear exactly what I wrote here --> that she might get a ruling in Poland which says he's supposed to build her a castle with 5 towers but that still won't mean any public official in Cairo or Riyadh will respect it.

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After Divorce Father Rights in Poland

I am married in poland and I have baby 2 and half year. I am paying alimony regullarly. My wife wanted divorce. what are my father rights as a foreigs in Poland. I need a lawyer and legal advise. Regarfs

You do indeed need a lawyer, by far your best move now is to pay for advice from a lawyer.

Not only advice, but for the lawyer to take on the whole case.

Either way, prepare for the worst and get pleasantly surprised by anything that involves more than no contact with the child.