In 2009 nearly 4000 Poles married a foreigner

Sultans had in their harems women from every province of ottoman Empire.There were greek women,serbian women,bulgarian women,arab women and after the gorgeous appearance of Roksana the loved harem woman of Sulejman the Great there was always an ukrainian woman included in the harem who took the name Roksana as well.This has made ukrainian women very proud.

Of course each Sultan had individual preferences for example one could be a lover of ottoman style so he had to get turkish and arab women,another could be a BJ connoiseur so he had slavic orientation one would like submission and chose hungarian and germanic females and every Sultan had his collection of young boys who constituted his favourite part.

I have watched a documentary about this particular women.


I wan't quite aware of that bit, strange mores indeed. I wander how they managed to reconcile that one with their islamic faith. lol.

Ottoman touristic guides always included information about appearance of local boys.For example Damascus is highly recommended.Boys there look spectacularly good etc.

No, I have seen turks and it is not exactly the turkish look. Its cool shadowy, white and have a pearlish smooth complexion.


Come on, the Turks were having either their colonies of vassal states. Some greeks are too brown to claim that its from the Turks. There must be some other hand aswell. Be fare ...


Can a mix ever look the same as one of the contributor of the gene? Not at all. They look MIX, something different, a new breed. That is what I think Spaniards and Italians look mostly, also the Greek. Malta too ...


Turks too, also Arabs, Persians (alot) not to mention Egyptian from early history according to ancient relics found in pyramids.


Good question ... LOL


Infact if we reflect on Gibbon's history books (specially the Rise and Fall of Roman Empire) we will notice that all Kings, Emperors of Sultans of those times took this dirty habit.

Apart from that, Turks always considered themselves European rather than Asian. Part of them is in Europe definitely.

Definitely wrong.Turks consider themselves superior to Europeans who they call gafur.


What Persians?Persians were defeated.Arabs came only to Kreta as pirates.


No Egyptians here.Greeks have lived in Egypt(Alexandria) and Libya(Kyrinaiki) for ages.Greeks grounded Marselles and most of the cities in southern Italy and Sicely.Of course these Greeks later mixed as did the Greeks who inhabited all coasts from Asia Minor to Black Sea.

In that British there are several races. Everyone calls themselves British ... British term is not what it used to be perhaps 500 years ago.

As for the Irish, I think Poles come into great many contacts with them. It doesn't depend on the population of the place, but depends on how many interaction you have with the people of that place. With Irish Poles have the highest interaction in West I think.

Look at some of the other data, there exists nations with whom we have the lowest ever interaction, so if you sit to analyze, they have the highest "success" rate (considering the amazingly low interaction). Hence, the "money greedy" agenda of yours is not so effective :).

While in my University years, there were hardly 6 to 8 Indians, and 2 to 3 Egyptians. I've seen some turks who never really came to study, and I've not seen one black with a Polish as pair. Still the statistics show results about them, which means probably in other cities.

Note that these are not the "money making machine" country for a Pole. Still you can see pairs ... so this proves you are wrong. Once again.

True that some girls are hungry just for money, but that can also be a Jewish girl, just like a Polish or any other (including British and Irish).

People are there who fall in love depending on the person's general character and attitude. Educated spouse is the best choice ... and only fools run after cash which is not going to give anything more than perhaps a car, but that also without any guarantee for longevity. Note again, there are men from Ukraine too ... not too rich a country is it?

Please re-read what I wrote because you seem to have misinterpreted me.

0) Let's not get the racial issues involved in this, ok? The stats provided deal purely with nationality.

1) I didn't write in this post that Polish women are money-hungry ( though yes, I do believe Polish women to be statistically more likely to "more materialistic" than, shall we say, British women ).

2) All I wrote is that for a visible number of Polish ( and other Eastern European ) women marrying a foreigner seems to be a life goal in itself. Then they come back to Poland "showing off" their foreigner like he's some prize bull or something in front of their high school female friends at the "wesele's", family banquets and whatnot. And many of these high school female friends, aunties and whoever go completely jealous: "She married an Englishman, she's set for life, blah, blah, blah"

I could probably understand this mentality in the 70's or 80's when the country was a complete communist craphole and an average foreigner on minimum wage in UK made 5 times the Polish annual salary. Or maybe in the 90's when nobody really knew which direction Poland was heading ( think Yugoslavia ), but in the 21st century with Poland in the EU it really borders on the ridiculous. Now unless we're talking about the warzones of Africa such mentality in women is really difficult to find elsewhere.

Now I dunno if that is still the case with the Polish 20-something crowd, it sure as hell is with many girls in their 30's or 40's. Must be the upbringing. That and communism.

3) Regarding Ireland I have it on good authority that many matches made in heaven, that is ones consisting of a dashing, freshly-rich Irishman and an alluring Polish beauty that jumped off a Ryanair plane two months earlier and just couldn't help but to fall so madly in love fell apart for some mysterious reason when said Irishman's bank account dried up due to the crisis. A secret wrapped in an enigma, I dare say :-)

Now please don't throw the Polish and Irish are much alike argument in my face, it is not supported by the amount of Polish blokes marrying Irish women :-) Unless of course You want to say that this strange compability only works between Irish gents and Polish girls.

Now, since You threw the money issue in there:

4) Jewish girls are rarely hungry for money. They are, however, often materially-conscious BUT they make it known to You if You court them. You'll be frankly told You're not good enough at some point ( usually quite early ).

With Polish women it's not uncommon to find a woman who is pretending to be the next Holy Mary and telling You how she loves You for Your looks/personality/whatever, while in reality she's just counting Your money.

Again - upbringing.

If You disagree with this "materialistic angle" please read about the number of UK's citizens getting pissed off at Polish chicks for getting pregnant in the UK a lot more often than they do in Poland ( Child bennies, yaaay! ). Or about British MP's that recently got mad because a Polish NGO is advocating that Polish women should go over to the UK and have abortions on UK taxpayers' dime.

I guess all I'm saying is Polish women have a reputation for being materialistic because, quite frankly, there's a visible amount of materialistic Polish women that happen to be hypocrites to boot.

5) Given: a) geographic proximity and b) EU passport scams Ukraine is easily explainable :-)

I never did. All I said is that the interactions are too frequent, nothing else. Why don't you read what I wrote more clearly? When did I ever say that the Irish are much alike the Polish. Absolutely never I said such a thing!

The more marriages are mostly due to more interactions, as many Polish go to Ireland and then come back, or stay in Ireland. Many families have constant links with Ireland ... it is not unknown. So tell me, if a Polish girl or boy (the boy part is always neglected by you) interacts so much with another nationality, will marriages not be more common there? Is it because of being "in common" or "special looks" or "bank account"? --- I Don't Think So.

^^ Do you understand this at all?


I never talk about such things. Again, I mentioned the other races because the statistics clearly show that Polish women are not marrying only Irish. They get married to Turks, Nigerian, Ukrainian, Egyptian ... Indians too (and Indians are very less in Poland ... I know this well as I had close interaction with some).

So NOW YOU TELL ME (the question you so conveniently have avoided), who then Polish women go for love relationships/marriages with nationalities with whom they have such outstandingly low interaction. Just a few.

Infact, the mathematics which show more Irish men is proportionately a very weak display considering the amount of INTERACTION Poles have with the Irish. This means that Polish women (or men) are not really interested whether you are Irish or you are a black or Indian or Egyptian or British ... what matters is your love for her, your manners, your attitude to life.


With your materialistic attitude, you chose the worst Polish woman. Yes, such worse Polish women also exist, but to them always reaches the worse men who consider easy purchase with the aide of money.

In the minds of such men are only money, so that is what they get. While the good women go to men who try to work hard and promise her an honest and fulfilling life. Not a bad thing such a life ... and there are women who would love to take that over millions of pounds.


Why do you chose the worst upbringing of a girl? There are some who have better upbringing, but I don't think they would like to talk with you ... maybe they prefer to be invisible to you. They will not meet you, they better meet someone else of a better mind. Maybe someone who value them much more, and would like to treat her like a priceless pearl unlike others who would just take her for granted.

Ofcourse there are women who would like to be taken for granted aswell, with them you might aswell get lucky with your ULTRA THOUGHTS.


Ofcourse, there are unhealthy people in England aswell, not to mention in Israel too. Nothing to do with them, why don't you just make a law which do not allow Polish people so much liberty in your country. It will be much better than nagging like this. Who CARES!


This one is the most despicable allegation on some good people aswell. Yes, there are people who like to make scams, they are present in Russia, Ukraine and perhaps many other countries outside Europe too ... but it doesn't mean that the world of these countries are all about this. To just outright allege a whole nation with such a label is pure ignorance.

Midas, being ignorant will never get you anywhere.

I have a suggestion, lets just leave the topic of Polish women ... move away concentrate on something else. We just don't deserve each other. Simple.

Midas didn't choose any polish woman.He is interested in jewish girls.


In fact they are very strong.Why are there so few Polish men marrying irish women if there is such a hell of interaction?
Midas is spot on just as a Jew he focuses primarily on economic issues.

Because Polish men do not see too much of a difference when it comes to female appeal. Polish women like to get into relationships with foreigners much more than Polish men. This is nothing new southern. It is not even uncommon since a long time back.

Polish men do find interest in Asian girls, not so much, but if they go out of the usual Polish/Ukrainian or Russians ... they do take a look as Asian girls as they are cute :).

Otherwise, if its a white girl he is to marry, whats the big difference?

For girls, its a whole lot of other things than just the visible part of a person. Ofcourse for men too, but the girls more often don't go at first with what they see, but the men do. Later for the men comes the discovery, but for the women the discovery starts with the first move, and they keep discovering till the men (only at a point that they decide to start a family and then continue to discover in a more mature process).

You will see that Polish women go out of the box much more than Polish men.

1. So tell me, if a Polish girl or boy (the boy part is always neglected by you) interacts so much with another nationality, will marriages not be more common there?

Well, let's focus on the Irish example yet again. Why in the hell then there isn't a throng of marriages between Polish men and Irish women. I mean, there's a legion of Polish men in Ireland, they must be "interacting" with the local population like crazy. Why there are almost no such marriages?

Hence, as I said, if the amount of Polish women marrying Irish gents wasn't economically driven You'd see the same tendency in Polish male/Irish female marriages. As we can both see - it's not there.

2. You will see that Polish women go out of the box much more than Polish men.

Because Polish men do not see too much of a difference when it comes to female appeal. Polish women like to get into relationships with foreigners much more than Polish men.

Bollocks and unfounded generalisations.

As a matter of fact I've known quite a few Poles, both educated and not so well educated. Surprise, surprise, none of them was the "locked in the box" type of guy who disapproved of "getting into relationships" with foreign chicks. Quite the contrary, a subcontractor of mine in London, Polish - born and raised, a miracle handyman and a very capable organizer who unfortunately spoke somewhat limited English kept telling me ( in Polish since we both spoke it ) how he'd like nothing more than get into the pants of a certain lady we both knew. She happened to be British of noticeable Jamaican origin.

So please quit trying to make Polish guys look like narrow-minded, short-sighted people who don't get into relationships with women of other nationalities because they don't want to. The crux of the matter lies elsewhere.

3. I am sorry to say ( yes, some might claim my focus is economic due to my background ) but it very often comes down to dinero.

The amount of Polish women marrying Irish and English gents is high, because once many Polish ladies make it to Dublin/London first thing they figure they need to do is find themselves a foreigner. Some due to economics, others because they consider every foreigner a "good catch".

Same thing goes for Ukrainian and Russian women once they make it to Poland ( EU ).

4. With your materialistic attitude, you chose the worst Polish woman

Ok, since a personal argument has been used - I don't consider Polish women good material for long term relationships and I have a preference for women with a Jewish background.

With that said, I do regular business in Poland and with Poles in London and I got propositioned by Polish women numerous times, sometimes it's implied, sometimes it's laid bare on the table, often despite said women having a stable partner and a "serious" relationship.

Now I know it will be an unpopular statement here, but IMO this has more to do with my financial status than it has to do with my charm.

At least the Jew has self conscience.In fact displaying lot of charm can scare a polish woman away because you are likely to be considered a womanizer.


Yes,they drive you down.

It is true lots of Polki even married are very easy to get into the sack.They always have a plan though I mean you never get a polish girl if you offer her free vaccations(like Cesky do for example).They want money or marriage.Many have different boyfriends simultaneously serving different roles.(one sponsor,one groom,one lover etc.The best is to be the lover and get them for free while another pays his duty as a sponsor).

Yes ,we were money oriented , we are and we will be always and yes we will date 3 guys simultaneously ,amen .

Again risking a shitstorm over my head I will agree with southern on the last few sentences.

I've witnessed this system he describes ( one guy for sponsoring that she beds once every blue moon, another for sex that she beds all the time, another guy - the husband - with him she constantly "has a headache", god knows how many else ) at work quite often with some Polish women, usually the girl that does that considers herself the new incarnation of Queen Jadwiga ( acute princess syndrome ) and believes she's special, thus - above reproach.

I'm sorry ladies, that's just what some of Your compatriots do over in the U.K. Women that do this are one of the reasons Polish girls have such a lousy opinion in U.K.

I have played all these roles so I should know.Not bad if you ask my opinion.I put it differently that slavic girls have a lot of love to give and just one man is not enough to be a receiver of so much love.

I will try to explain the subject for some of you who are so confused . If a guy is hot and attractive he will get a pleasure of being with us at any time any place , he can pay with only a nice smile , but if a guy is delicately saying unattractive , well then money is an issue . We are not sort of members of charity organisation who will date ugly and poor . We want to be satisfied on many grounds....... It refers not only to UK men . Polish guys are required to meet the same standards

Yes,physically,financially and emotionally.Only a Balkan can give all this variety so Polki have usually to resort to multiple contributors.

If a guy is hot and attractive he will get a pleasure of being with us at any time any place , he can pay with only a nice smile , but if a guy is delicately saying unattractive , well then money is an issue .

Madam, I'm very glad You posted because You exemplify what I wrote about.

You are quite simply a materialistic girl and there are many other Polish women like You.

It refers not only to UK men . Polish guys are required to meet the same standards

Quite the contrary, a number of Polish women will apply a double standard to Poles and foreigners ( favoring foreigners and considering them "a prize" ).

Unless of course You are talking about applying an equal "economic" standard to a Polish guy that got off the ferry in Dover 2 months ago with 400 quid in his pocket and a Brit whose family has lived in London for two centuries and kept amassing wealth during that period. Because yes, I've seen that done too - a girl considering her Polish boyo that came over to the UK with her a "nieudacznik" because he hasn't managed to amass equal amounts of property in a year as Brits who lived and earned money there for decades ( these she called "real men" who could "take care of a woman" ) :-).

Yeah, I do feel sorry for some Polish guys some time. Then again it's usually their fault for being too good and not realizing that some women have character traits that eliminate going steady with them.

hahahaha , you are so funny.
I live in Poland and never thought about dating UK men .As a matter of fact I consider UK men less attractive than Polish men . And please, don`t think that Polish are not financially secure . And pls don`t compare Poles working in UK with those living in Poland . It is a very different story . You have to realize that educated and prosperous people don`t leave their country .

And yet another observation : if you deal with and see some Polish hard working but not fairly paid Polish workers ( men and women ) it just mean how greedy UK people are . It gives me a hint about their morality . I could read about Polish people working as slaves in UK , so nothing new , my dear friend . I just feel compassion for them .

Kurwistan.Not bad though not bad.

Madam, I am sorry, but Your post about "handsome guys paying with a smile" and "ugly guys paying with money" does reek of materialism, to say the least. I don't think it makes You particularly well qualified to judge on moral issues.

Other than that - You are right that my negative opinions about Polish females are most often based on Polish girls from London, although I do get a glimpse or two at how they behave in Poland when I'm in Warsaw, Cracow or Lodz. Still - the fact that they are acting like that in London does not make them any less Polish, right?

This also explains why the divorce rate among Poles is about 50% in the UK compared to 10% in Poland.My guess is that the divorce procedures are instigated by Polki who go for the bigger boot.

My guess is that the divorce procedures are initiated by Polki who go for the bigger boot. - I confirm, it's not that uncommon for a Polish girl to come over to the UK with her Polish hubby, "test the waters" and figure she's not going to "waste her life" with a "loser" who "doesn't even own a flat".

But I seriously doubt a guy who married such a tart didn't notice any signs of materialism prior to tying the knot, so in such cases the guy pretty much got what he deserved for being a naive *****.

Yes, they are mixed.


Yes, all those countries are mixed despite some claims by foolish nationalists there to being genetically pure states.


What are you smoking Lodz? When did Arabs and Persians ever have mixing periods in Greece??? Turks are by afar not Persian or Arabic. The Greeks and Macedonians did a spectacular job defeating and keeping the Persians and Arabs out of the Balkans, to say else-wise is ludicrous. The only arabic blood I see is in Sicily where they mixed with moors and Crete where there was mixing with lebanese. Genetic tests have shown the majority of Greeks are an admixture of Albainains, Slavs, Greek, Macedonian, Vlach and even Germanic (don't know how that got in there).

Also I hate to say it but these Persians and Egyptians are from ancient times, I doubt you'll find at least a small minority of Greeks who are related to the ancients.


Most men pursue pleasure with such breathless haste that they hurry past it. Not me.

Judging from a fact that you are so hard on that issue it seems to me that you are on that later position .

^^ Please explain because I honestly don't know what to make of Your last post.

who, me???

Nah, the "Monia" chick.

Midas

read post nb 142 first sentence and the riddle is solved

Lovely, I wrote something that You don't like and You're implying I'm ugly.

Lovely.