I have lived in Scotland for 8 years now and I love it, I am originally from Krakow.
Since I have been here, I hear people and listen to discussions and it seems to be a general consensus that Scottish men find Polish girls to be cold, demanding and materialistic - I have heard this said by so many Scottish men that I work with who have dated Polish girls.
Can I just ask if Polish men think this too ?
Personally I am used to Polish girls behaviour because my mother and grandmother were cold and demanding towards their men too, I just thought it was a Catholic thing, because I see the same traits in Catholic Italians and Irish girls.
..so guys, what do you think, is there some truth to this, are Polish girls cold and heartless, do they really just want money and things ?
i came to this country for money and a better life, I don't care about love, I just want a man who has lots of money and can support me in having lots of catholic babies.
I believe men should be pushed by woman, that is what I was taught in church - I was taught that men without the mean cold nature of a woman will not be successful, so we push our men, it hasn't worked for me so far or my polish girl friends because we are all still single.
I am Polish and here i strongly disagree! We! The Men of Poland (you know. most bald, bicepsish(have i just invented a word?), primal food-take-carers(another one?) and "roar!Roar!ROAAAR!" know ..... all women are like that with only one subtle differency... a currency (unexpected rhyme).
I dont date Polish girls anymore because i had really bad experiences witth 3 relationships so far - horrible cold women. i blame their soviet influenced upbringing by grand parents.
Based upon my experience with Polish life, I daresay YES, most of them are. Generally speaking, Poles (and people in similar countries) are much more materialistic than people from the West. Myself, I have become more materialistic since in Poland - here everybody talks about money all the time, need to impress others... Not healthy as a society! I have mingled with (several) Russians and frankly, their materialistic mentality is sickening.
(Find Polish girls to be cold, demanding and materialistic) You will find most girls that way world wide not just the Polish ones. They learn in their tweens that they are sitting on a gold mine and how to use it to get what they want. This is where the cold, demanding and materialistic part comes into play. It's what makes the world turn.
It depends on which circles you inhabit. For those who spend their lives watching TV and reading trash funded by corporations, life is about the acqusition of ever more stuff, whether they need it or not. On the other hand, there are lots of women who value other things more highly. Much as I admire what the USA has achieved, greed is a virtue there, and this attitude has to some extent been exported to Europe.
Based upon my experience with Polish life, I daresay YES, most of them are. Generally speaking, Poles (and people in similar countries) are much more materialistic than people from the West.
That may well be true, but let's try to understand why. It could have to do with the lack of economic prospects and predictability during the PRL years not only in PL, but all of Soviet-dominated camp. And not only then, but even now, although to a much lesser degree. Then the natural instinct in light of instability is to secure one's materialistic needs. But to be honest, it is not only women who think this way - it is a universally accepted phenomenon amongst the younger and older generations alike: to secure a position for life, buy/own a home, own as an expensive car as you can (often not) afford. All the effort goes there. This way the non-materialistic aspect of life is easily overlooked and marginalised. But then again, one sees this all over the world, so it would be good to have a study done to measure how important 'materialism' is by country.
It depends on which circles you inhabit.
True.
For those who spend their lives watching TV and reading trash funded by corporations, life is about the acquisition of ever more stuff, whether they need it or not.
+1
Much as I admire what the USA has achieved, greed is a virtue there, and this attitude has to some extent been exported to Europe.
Well said, Roger5. But remembering how America was established (stolen land from the natives) and then prospered on the backs of slaves perhaps explains things a little. I say a little, as Australia or New Zealand gained their land in similar fashion (although no slavery), but don't have that problem. The common factor were the British, so there could be an Anglo-Saxon demon at work here. Also the 'American dream' of owning as big a house/land as you can afford (not need) is nightmare in disguise. European powerhouse Germany + Switzerland have lowest home ownership rates (contrast that with Romania/Lithuania, where it's the highest in EU).
All I know is that I have dated a Polish girl who came here to Edinburgh from Krakow.
When she first came, she was LOVELY ! .. really caring, down to earth, used to bake cakes and take care of me really well ( i did the same )
I became ill and couldn't work for a while so times weren't as rich as they had been ( for a while ) ... she used to always tell me she loved me, but that she wanted better, so after making me feel miserable and inadequate for a long time, she eventually left me. She told me that when I get better and start making REAL money £££ that she would come back !
Is that materialistic enough for you ? - This story is 100% true, no lies.
I watched as she completely changed ! ...she became very demanding, nothing was ever good enough, as her bank balance grew and she became a manager in a coffee shop - she became hard, cold and materialistic - she would moan about her excellent coffee shop job, moan about her boss ( who paid her VERY WELL and treated her SO GOOD ) ...nothing was good enough for her, she would make herself miserable as she envied all those with more around her.
Eventually she got a job in a financial institution and began to change herself to fit in with her work teams, all wealthy professionals who cared only about one thing " money " and " progression ".
She was now the kind of person who run in charity cancer runs on every second weekend to make her feel good about herself, but ultimately she was still a cold hearted, incompassionate, materialistic drone.
Her Polish girlfriends were exactly the same, some had Scottish husbands, some had Polish husbands - either way, they treated their men like crap, always demanding things, nothing was good enough.
I suppose in a way, it is survival of the fittest ... these Polish women WANT more, they want a better life and they will fight for it ... but unfortunately it gives everyone a very poor opinion of them.
The UK was not built this way, we are not a cold nation, the reason why the UK is and has always be a leader and success is its ability to come together and HELP EACH OTHER - and not be obsessed by our own selfish needs.
Dont worry Polish women will get exactly what they want ... but they will never be happy.
@James; if not most (of) at least a lot of Polish girls are this way. They only see money and men as living wallets. Whereas in Western cultures, girls are raised to become financially independent (even when in couples), in Poland, it's still the old tradition, girls are raised to get married so men shall feed them.
I daresay that based upon my experience, girls that are not this way are rather a minority in Poland.
... I suppose the most offensive and hurtful thing is that the Polish girl I love and lived with for 3 years professed to love me, but when it came down to it she wanted money and not me.
When she had used me for what she needed, she left me in a mess.
Her English wasn't great when she came to the UK, so I taught and corrected her every day, I even filled in her job applications and interviews procedures when she went for this financial job - which she got ! ..because of my help and support.
Anyway, I don't like Polish girls... I know it is a generalisation but it is SO true, I run an e Commerce company here in the UK, we sell all manner of things and it is mostly customer service based. I get Polish girls applying for jobs all the time, I turn them down instantly because I hate them! ( yes totally illegal, but who knows )
Oh boy, you've been through the wars, James. Sounds like you were thoroughly used and abused by a selfish cow. I live in Poland and have many female friends, as well as a Polish wife. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Please don't write off all Polish women. Some of them are lovely.
I've lived in PL for 7+ years and dated several PL women. IMHO you need to be very lucky here to find a good girl. It is possible, but the odds are very low.
Girls especially interested in foreigners (mostly) will be interested in them because of expected material status and short-term focus on money.
I've stopped dating PL girls some time ago exactly for this reason.
I daresay that based upon my experience, girls that are not this way are rather a minority in Poland.
Thankfully, my one is very much in the minority.
Having said that, there's an element of culture too - apparently Polish men are *very* insecure if their wife earns more than them. Surreal, don't you think?
An elderly Polish man lay dying in his bed. While suffering the agonies of impending death, he suddenly smelled the aroma of his favorite pierogi with fried onions wafting up the stairs.
He gathered his remaining strength, and lifted himself from the bed. Gripping the railing with both hands, he crawled downstairs.
Downstairs, he leaned against the door frame, gazing into the kitchen, where if not for death's agony, he would have thought himself already in heaven, for there, spread out upon waxed paper on the kitchen table were hundreds of his favorite pierogi.
Was it heaven? Or was it one final act of love from his wife of sixty years, seeing to it that he left this world a happy man?
He threw himself towards the table, landing on his knees in a crumpled posture. His parched lips parted, the wondrous taste of the pierogi was already in his mouth. With a trembling hand he reached up to the edge of the table, when suddenly he was smacked with a wooden spoon by his wife.
"Back off!" she said. "Those are for the funeral."
I think that is just a process of growing up. Going with your heart is fine when you're young and rebellious. Then the realities start rearing their ugly head. Taking on responsibilities. Thinking about how the future family will be provided for. There is many different degrees and flavours of this "materialism", but basically this is where it comes from.
Taking on responsibilities. Thinking about how the future family will be provided for.
+1. I think a woman who chooses a man for money is despicable but a woman who rejects or stops loving a man because he does not take his responsibilities seriously is entirely reasonable.
But, since the divorce is still considered a personal failure, there is an added pressure to "choose right" from the beginning. An old adage of "it's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with the poor one" may apply here. On the other end of the spectrum, the idea of falling for a broken man and "fixing" him, which a lot of my western friends are enamoured by, does not seem to have a big appeal to Polish women. ;)
Basically, I think that most girls in Poland and similar countries see men first as "providers" whereas most girls in the West see men first as "partners". Of course, there are a lot of exemptions but basically that's the way people are raised in Poland (+ similar countries) and in the West.
That is true, InPolska. But, past generations of hardships carry with them some lessons, too: when going gets tough, is my partner going to crawl into a hole with a bottle?
First this guy approach to a girl (in Poland), but he is rejected with the Polish f*** off (because of his poor look?) The class girl.
Next, the same guy, this time on a nice bike, wearing a helmet and speaking English - and she takes the bait at once (without knowing that's the same dude).
I bet you could get the same reaction if that experiment was done in many other countries. I think it depends on the person, some Poles are materialistic, some not.
If that isn't a set up video, rather more worrying is that the woman seems quite happy to go off to a supposed party with someone she had a 2 minute conversation with......
British women arent much better its just done in different ways, they want to be independant but have a man for backup or a safety net.
Its like a saying we have here, but I may have to simplify it so you understand, "what belongs to me is mine, what belongs to you is mine also" is how many womens minds work here, if a woman does well in a job its her money not for the family, if a man does well its for the whole family and if she wants money you have to give it to her. A smaller example is women still want the men to bring them presents whilst never buying them back even if the man is in a low paid job and the woman earning a lot she still buys none for him and expects him to buy ones for her.
One of my exes was so bad when I lost my job I was living off bread for a month and she was eating in cafes every day and complained I did not buy her food, and when I had not eaten for 2 days I asked her for her leftover food and was told "dont be greedy its my food, women are not meant to support men" making out how weak I was for even asking.
Its just due to changes in the perception of women over the decades, being equal means some old things that benefitted women are ignored its why British women like to date a man who treats them badly and they want to change him, they like the power to control him and make him good enough for them not thinking about his needs (even the nice guys they want to change)
I have in the past been approached by women in bars and during the conversation they ask what job you have, if you mention a low paid job they walk off, on a lesser way you get women approaching men in bars all the time demanding free alcohol "because men buy women drinks" and if you buy one then after a few drinks run out of money they walk away to next guy to get more free drinks I have multiple times been approached by women saying "if you buy me a drink I will talk to you" if you say no they get agressive and even tell you are not good enough to speak to them unless you buy them a drink.
I even saw an article in a womans magazine I was reading at my doctors surgery telling women how to go on a Saturday night with £5 emergency cash, get taxis to the city, free drinks all night, free food on way back and free taxi home and still have the £5 by describing things like look for the guy who is the most drunk and flirt with him, if he refuses to buy you a drink walk to another drunk guy and ask him, if you go to the bar pretend you have lost your purse or cry to the staff to get sympathy drinks.
It was all teaching women to use men just for money.
Essentially British women are more manipulative and play the victim.
One of my exes was so bad when I lost my job I was living off bread for a month and she was eating in cafes every day and complained I did not buy her food
well I am sorry for your suffering ryouga, but this had nothing to do with her nationality did it? Actually I think it was more to do with your personality than hers. If it even happened that is.
If you will pick up biatches and let them use you, it is your own fault, nobody elses.
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