Polish couples living out of wedlock?

I had a good look and can't see anything there about the fees that the parents pay, which means we can conclude that school is state-funded.


Pathetic response. Perhaps you'd like to blame the kid too?
People involved in education in Warsaw (i.e. people such as the mother in question, and me) know which side the Kuratorium will take in a dispute.


A state-funded school in Warsaw Poland did that exact thing.


I said a couple of years ago but now I think about it more, it would have been more like four or five years ago (time flies).


Great: ask them how St. Dominik Savio in Lubin survives given that it charges the parents nothing and according to Magda gets nothing from the state either.

Well if they are living without marriage I think it is good they do not even bother to baptize them. What would be the point?

Again some posters are maliciously taking this thread off-topic bringing some made up examples of supposed discrimination. I think that mods should react.
There are usual throng of anti-religious nutters and some empty headed and sure footed soldiers of tolerance ! comical!
I guess it was always like that - few people grueling to and forth over some issues and each of them is backed by supporters, armed with pitchforks and torches ready to sprang at their opponents throat.

Somehow on PF those pro-religious are less aggressive at least.:)

You're certaintly not a good example to learn English from... ;)

OH? I'm not! I say do not ever emulate my English on PF!
I like to play a little! Like in saying - barking up the wrong tree! Barking at the wrong tree is not saying anymore but correct expression, yet everyone would assume that you got it wrong :) harmless....

I'm stuck with a flu! Should be I'm sick with a flu:) but I think a first example is more telling:)

State founded-maybe.Private shools get money from government.If you meant PUBLIC school I still don't believe that.ESPECIALLY in Warsaw.If you told me it was somewhere in small village I might have believed you but Warsaw?Are you serious?


I was in elemantary school a long time ago and in my school were children of inmarried couples.


Private schools get subventions from government.Besides maybe there're sponsors?
Either way it has nothing to do with the story you told.

Quite all right:)
As I said if I'm not focusing I do have problems with articles:) Always had
somehow I cannot be bother to correct my lingo on PF! Maybe I should

regarding language, it might be worth pointing out that PUBLIC and STATE schools are two different things in English. PUBLIC is, strangely, a type of PRIVATE school. This might clear up some of the "discussion" in this thread.

^ The school I am talking about charges no fees, it is entirely funded by the Polish state. That makes it, to me at least, a state school and not a private school (or a semi-private school).

How do you know that if you don't remember any of the details, like its name or number? It might be entirely or partly funded by a religious order, for example.

I really hope you are wrong about this one Harry because it has annoyed me to no end.

And that letter you posted, really makes me think of leaving Poland.

I know you're being drilled about it not being a state school but I don't want to believe what you are saying is true, so I will ask one question.

For a state school, I am told, that you do not require several interviews, are you certain?

In normal state school one doesn't need an interview at all: just the grades from previous school and good oppinion regarding behaviour.


Aren't you exaggerating?
Ok, I will give you a reason for leaving Poland if such thing is a reason for you to do so: if you don't accept a priest coming to your home po kolędzie for several years in a row you might expect to be refused a Catholic funeral...

No.


I do not want a Catholic funeral.

So what's so outrageous when a RE teaching priest sniches to the parish about pupil resignation from the lessons? It's the same.

I had another look at this letter. The "appropriate consequences" most probably mean that the person who withdrew from RE class would have to participate in additional pre-marriage courses before being allowed to have a church wedding. My friend attended RE class, I didn't; the difference, when it came to a church wedding, was exactly that. She had the appropriate certificate already and could go on to choose her wedding dress, while I attended some of the most boring meetings in my life.

So, though I agree that the letter sounds ominous, especially in the translation to English, I think any atheist who resigns from RE has absolutely nothing to fear ;-)

I will add that a colleague of mine was allowed to take confirmation at her 20s just to become a godmother...

Oh dear, it seems that you have had to resort to lying: at no time have I said that I don't remember any of the details. I actually said here that "I can't give you the name or number as I never knew it." What I do know is that the school charged parents no fees at all: it was state funded.


Could you perhaps name the primary schools in south central Warsaw which are entirely funded by religious orders? Oh, and be sure to also tell us how much tax relief or other government aid any such religious order gets.


I am entirely certain that I heard the mother in question complaining (before her kid was denied a place) about the interview process.

I just wonder whether debating imaginary or potential discrimination is off-topic in this thread?
I understand that some posters are obsessed and cannot help themselves. It is only yet anther example of the fact that bragging about their excessive knowledge of /Poland is just bragging.

On the other hand it could also pegged down to the bias on their part.

zetigrek, I made an error in my post.

A child not being admitted to a public school because his parent's are not wed makes me think of leaving this country.
I have thought about it several times for similar reasons.


I'd hope so.


If a Catholic weren't admitted to a school because his parents were Catholic, you'd be all over it and you'd be right to be.

You have a huge problem seeing other people's point of view, consider what I have said and tell me it isn't so.

I don't in the slightest bit wonder whether your trolling in this thread is in the slightest bit on-topic: it very clearly is not.

Children born out of wedlock are routinely discriminated against in Poland. Of course as you haven't live in Poland in decades, you don't know that.


Your obsession with me is vaguely touching and highly amusing.

Look here, page one:


I think it was not an ordinary "Gimnazjum nr 454 im.B.M. Seanskiego in Warsaw".

However, it was state funded, so Sean and I are paying the wages of those bigots.

Right, but he thinks it was an ordinary school.

Which it could be.

Is it just me that's deeply afraid of the RCC having "files" on locals, given their previous history?

Ok, one more question because I've lost this information: was it a Catholic (or any other denomination) school? If so, then it wasn't an ordinary school.


They create a folder when you get baptised ;)

I thought Harry meant not Public as in Private, in the English use of terms.
English people have that the wrong way round for goodness knows what reason.
Private means public and vise versa.

I'm knackered, I shouldn't post now for fear of getting everything wrong and making an ass of myself.
(how does that differ from usual I hear you ask:)

Simple answer: I don't know.

I'm lost with that too.
How I did understand him is that it was not an ordinary school but some denominational school which is entirely state funded. Now he says he doesn't know if that was a denominational school... so we rounded a full circle and find ourself clueless what we are actually discussing :)))

You laugh, but when you consider the amount of collaboration seen by churchmen in other countries - isn't it scary to think that it could be used against you by a future regime?

Are you a PiS paranoic? :)

Just in case: you should know this forum will have enough on us ;)))