I think it's just snobbery from Warsaw people when they get the disillusioned idea that their city is nicer than Kraków. Most Poles state either Kraków or Wrocław as the nicest city. I prefer Wrocław myself but Kraków will hit that list yet.
Worlds most liveable cities (Krakow or Warsaw don't even hit the radar screens)
I like Poland, I really do. I am not bashing the country or Warsaw, however, it is just naive or stupidity to think that any major city in Poland would make it to this list- yet. Perhaps in about 15 years but not now.
standing in the front row of people who hate everything what is Polish
This, is just absolutely CLASSIC.
E.g. see here:
"Thread of IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. Don't be affraid to ask..."
Edit: oops. access denied for some reason - although it worked initially...
The ratio of salary to housing in Warsaw seems much worse than anywhere in Australia or Canada. House prices in Vancouver and Melbourne are OK compared to the very good salarys.
Warsaw, claims that nearly 25 percent of the city is covered in beautiful trees, shrubs, and greenery.
wroclaw is the greenest city in Poland
I believe Berlin makes the claim that it is the greenest city in Europe.
it probably is as it has a forest within the city boundries.
berlin and wroclaw are similar in terms of greenery.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Sep 2011 / #66
I like Poland, I really do. I am not bashing the country or Warsaw, however, it is just naive or stupidity to think that any major city in Poland would make it to this list- yet. Perhaps in about 15 years but not now.
All depends on ones requirements really doesn't it, one mans rubbish is another mans gold. Im with Monia on this one, Warsaw rocks and should be rated right up there on the city's to live hotspot. Its a capital city not tainted with western BS as yet, but it is getting there......
Pick a point and lets analyze it shall we.
Oh look: Deepak Malhotra is back in Warsaw! Come to add another Indian restaurant to your portfolio eh Deepak? Best do it fast, before the taxman catches up with you!
Hi Harry
poland_
2 Sep 2011 / #67
So we sold and went east.
Along with everyone else, Józefów I guess. I hope they build the bridge soon. The place I like in the east is Anin and it is only about 4 or 5 streets.
The street that I live on was just repaved and a bike path was created along with new plants and trees and bus shelters. It looks great. However, people here don't grasp the concept of bike path- so they walk on it and the new bus shelters are being used for places to sit and drink beer.
Pip, what most people just don't grasp and I have mentioned this to many foreigners that have lived her a few years or arrive for the first time. You can change the exterior, but it is still the same sh1t underneath. So for all the nice houses,nice cars, nice designer clothing and expensive restaurants, you still have the " red and white' wrapped in a more modern wrapper. It will take 20 years for Warsaw to change and 40 for the rest of the country. Only 2% of the population of Warsaw have any form of breed.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Sep 2011 / #68
PWEI: Really are making friends here today, eh Moania? Just another example of your charming personality, the one which will ensure that you die alone, an even more wrinkled wizened old crone than you are now.
Ohh Harry harry you just cant change at all can you. Give it up mate you obviously cant handle it. I thought i had issues but you wrote the friggen book on it. Do we need to get into personal details? you'd lose big time.
You're just so lost its unbelievable.
The (unt tried to preach to me as an ATP mod, can you believe that?
Pick a point and lets analyze it shall we.
Lets compare Vienna, a European capital of roughly the same size and ranked high on these lists, with Warsaw.
Cityscape
Vienna: big historic centre surrounded by huge 19th century quarters in good shape, public sphere clean and not polluted by adverts
Warsaw:
Living quarters
Vienna: mostly average to upscale flats in posh apartment buildings from the 19th century
Warsaw:
Public transport
Vienna: extensive tram network (mostly modern low-floor trams) + big subway network + buses
Warsaw:
Surroundings
Vienna: vineyards, vineyard villages, mountains, forests, close to the alps, to Bratislava (Slovakia), Brno (Czechia), Budapest (Hungary)
Warsaw:
Culture
Vienna: 3 operas, more than 100 theatres, 9(?) symphony orchestras, ca. 100 museums
Warsaw:
Goods, services, etc.
Vienna: lots of traditional, high-class shops and services (KuK), restaurants and goods from every part of the world
Warsaw:
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 438
2 Sep 2011 / #70
I think it's just snobbery from Warsaw people when they get the disillusioned idea that their city is nicer than Kraków. Most Poles state either Kraków or Wrocław as the nicest city. I prefer Wrocław myself but Kraków will hit that list yet.
I've never liked Krakow much, but I can understand why many people do. Likewise, I like Warsaw a lot, but I still can't really explain why (haha), but I also understand why many would hate it.
I absolutely love Wroclaw though; like Manchester, you can have a laugh with strangers on the streets (unlike London or Warsaw).
rozumiemnic 8 | 3875
2 Sep 2011 / #71
well I don't know, personally I find London quite fluffy and friendly in a random kind of a way...
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 438
3 Sep 2011 / #72
Everyone's perception is different, I suppose. I speak as a long-term resident, so I could be part of that "unfriendly" problem lol
rozumiemnic 8 | 3875
3 Sep 2011 / #73
I speak as a long-term resident,
me too (on and off)....
=wielki pan]I think living in Krakow is great.
No, it is not. :):):)
Isthatu - you with their mediocre comments about the city which do not know
A city I do know well Moania,and one I love, probably becaause I was lucky enough not to meet you....
However your personal campaign against me shows that you are a little man with a big mental problem .
Another trait of some city folk,like Moania is a highly inflated ego alongside which can run persecution complexes.I think its something to do with all those crowded trams and sharp elbows.
And finally you Pipa, you rule with your stupidity, I advise you to leave Warsaw
And that was the news from our Warsaw reporter Moania Vacheska, always a warm and friendly welcome from the locals will be extend to all.
Strange how all Moanias little paranoid personal attacks on people stay on this thread but all the counters by those IT has insulted end up in off topic...........as Moania would say ...." Its the jews wot done it" ,of course,she'd be bonkers as usual....
OP wielki pan 2 | 250
3 Sep 2011 / #76
No, it is not. :):):)
Can I ask you why not?? Then what is the best city in Poland?
(Krakow or Warsaw don't even hit the radar screens) <- maybe that's a good thing.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 438
3 Sep 2011 / #78
me too (on and off)....
hehe, me too :)
maybe that's a good thing.
I agree. Warsaw still has enough identity to make it "look like Warsaw", unlike many boring, "identikit" UK towns and cities.
I absolutely love Wroclaw though; like Manchester, you can have a laugh with strangers on the streets (unlike London or Warsaw).
You must have approached people the wrong way. Londoners are friendly, helpful and love a laugh. They smile in the street and in the shops, and you can easily strike up a conversation at the bus stop. Having said that, a lot of the people who live in London come from elsewhere, just like most big cities. As for Warsaw I haven't been there in six years, although I live 2.5 hours away. I'd be frightened to bump into amonia.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 438
3 Sep 2011 / #80
You must have approached people the wrong way. Londoners are friendly, helpful and love a laugh.
Rubbish, we Londoners simply hate being approached... "don't talk to me blad, manz goin work innit!" hehe. West Londoners are the worst, though... we are OK here in South lol ;)
You have a point, though. By a long way, the worst people in London are not Londoners, but are those from small towns/villages outside. I suppose they just can't hack city life. All the people I've met from the major cities are fine. Of course, someone will disagree with my viewpoint, but in a city of 7-8 million (and now maybe more) residents, there are likely to be a multitude of opinions ;)
I lived in Melbourne, and now in Warsaw. Both are great and liveable really! Weather wise... :)
we Londoners simply hate being approached...
Speak for yourself. I'm a south Londoner myself.
Rubbish
With an attitude like that perhaps Londoners have indeed changed since my day.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 438
3 Sep 2011 / #83
You clearly missed the "... we are OK here in South lol" and the " ;) " bits.
;)
;)
The safest city in Poland, there's nothing 'B' about Białystok except its initial letter. Two-and-a-half hours from the capital, rich cultural mix, renowned theatres and orchestras, parks and gardens, good restaurants and cheap beer.
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Lets compare Vienna, a European capital of roughly the same size and ranked high on these lists, with Warsaw.
They are not comparable, Vienna was not destroyed during the war like Warsaw was. IMO, Warsaw is not a city you initially fall in love with, the way it was rebuilt post war makes it quite ugly. It does take time to discover its advantages, like the space, greenery, general easiness in moving from one part of the city to the other... I lived for 3 months or more in each of the following cities: Athens, London, Montreal, Paris, Warsaw, Zürich and I would probably rank Warsaw in # 4 (the worst being Athens).
and Montreal was the best ;) mais bien sur!!
actually, what gets me about Warsaw is the lack of zoning. In most of the western world cities are defined into residential, industrial....etc etc- but Warsaw and much of Poland doesn't have this. The city is so mixed up.
I like finding hidden gems in Warsaw. I love ul. Pruzna and its strength. I love the streets in old Mokotow that give you a sense of how life used to be. i like the new town and its character and I even like the palace of culture which reminds Warsaw how far it has come.
Warsaw is initially an ugly city- but its history and stubbornness and character make it a great place to live. But I stand by my statement that there is no way any city in Poland is ready to be considered for this list- not yet.
actually, what gets me about Warsaw is the lack of zoning. In most of the western world cities are defined into residential, industrial....etc etc- but Warsaw and much of Poland doesn't have this. The city is so mixed up.
I like finding hidden gems in Warsaw. I love ul. Pruzna and its strength. I love the streets in old Mokotow that give you a sense of how life used to be. i like the new town and its character and I even like the palace of culture which reminds Warsaw how far it has come.
Warsaw is initially an ugly city- but its history and stubbornness and character make it a great place to live. But I stand by my statement that there is no way any city in Poland is ready to be considered for this list- not yet.
poland_
3 Sep 2011 / #87
I love ul. Pruzna
Do you mean - Ulica Próżna. How many of you Polishforum players have been to the Jewish festival this week on Ulica Próżna -
festiwalsingera.pl/index.php/tickets
Do you mean - Ulica Próżna.
Yes, sorry for the spelling- I spell it phonetically and always forget about this ó- thorn in my side. I love this festival.
Wroclaw Boy
3 Sep 2011 / #89
Londoners are friendly, helpful and love a laugh. They smile in the street and in the shops, and you can easily strike up a conversation at the bus stop.
Thats bull crap mate Londoners are some of the most obnoxious a$shole's you could ever meet - on a level playing field of course. What is a Londoner anyway, are they different from an average British person? In terms of manners Londoners are at the bottom of the barrel IMO. Its all about social status there. See i categorized, you cant categorize....a friggen nation or a capital.
Some are and some aren't. There is a certain arrogance about some of the people there and you can see it in many capitals, whether it be Edinburgh, Warsaw or Tokyo.