Poles hard working or just born lazy.

Some jobs just pay minimum wage, accept it, it is better to earn for your own self esteem than be on benefits. Who wants to get locked into a low life of being unemployed.

I am sorry but how is it any better?It's not.


How is it low life?As a unemployed person on benefit one has all that time for himself and can enjoy life full time without having to spend a third of his life in some cappy warehause or dodgy factory.That's no brainer.

As an unemployed person, capable of working you are scum of the earth living off the underbelly of hard working tax payers, people like you Silvernag, make me want to vomit, your parents should be ashamed of you. You typify everything that is wrong with todays society " the moral-less me society "

That's the problem, you wrote about something that has little to do with Poland and the issue of people in Eastern Europe screwing their employers over when they make minimum wage.

Midas, the issue here is why do Poles bust their balls in the UK or USA for minimum wage, then as soon as they return to Poland, its back into the old ' red and white routine ' My opinion, most Poles believe when they go to the UK or USA they start from zero and they have the possibility of opportunity, when they return to Poland they slot back into old routine of why bother because no one else is. It is not that Poles are lazy in general, only in Poland are they lazy, due to the " nie moge" attitude.

quite right. with an attitude like this,whether polish or english,what hope is there for the next generation? i have always supported myself.

I don't know about UK but I can tell you I don't know any Eastern Europeans (including Poles) in the US busting their balls for a minimum wage.A newcomer may be excited for maybe first 2 weeks until he/she sees a paycheck and then morale drops.I've been there and done that,for a minimum wage you get a "Whatever" attitude.I am talking about permanent residents not seasonal workers.

Of course it is, ya creep. Pay yer own way. The taxpayer is skint.


Thats called a career break. Earn yer own cash. Save up a lump sum and foook off somewhere "exotic" to "find yourself".

More importantly, stop being a leach!

A good worker wont be working too long in a "cappy warehause or dodgy factory" for too long. Eventually he/she will be given a promotion. Then another, then another.

If he/she has any intelligence.

The western worlds benefit system needs to be radically overhauled. Vast throngs of lazy immigrants being hooked up to the benefit system to live amongst home grown benefit dependants is a recipe for disaster.

Social welfare is a safety net for a lad between jobs, not a fishing net to draw in the worlds dregs.

No welfare, no need for cheap labour immigrant droids. No more "asylum seekers". No more home grown leaches. No more illegals, if stringent labour laws are enforced.

I meant how is it better for ME?I don't care about all taxpayers of the world.I still take a walk on the beach over the shift at Mc Donalds for the same money at any day.


You are being very optimistic.

Your self worth and pride in a good days labour for a far wage. Interacting with colleagues. Keeping your brain ticking over working out prices/tasks/dealing with customers etc etc.

The list is endless.


Go for a walk after yer shift. The day consists of twenty four hours. People generally work shifts of four to twelve hours. Plenty of time for you to go-a-wandering.


Not at all. I come from a very small to medium sized business owning family. You notice a hard working intelligent worker and you try and develop him/her with training, courses, respect, promotion and with decent pay.

Otherwise you go bust. Its that simple.

Very true. I'm self-employed and hire new people at minimum wage. Those who show the most initiative get rewarded with pay raises and, if they hang in, with promotions. Businesses are starved for leadership and when you see an employee coasting along with his or her lip hanging on the ground and seething with resentment, what sane business owner would promote such a person with that kind of miserable attitude and work ethic?

unfortunately this seems to have bypassed silbernagel...

Hey chickadee you want people to work, they have to be motivated. Too many business owners use labor rates to maximize their profit margins. Workers have responsibility to work hard? Is that all? How about the business owner having some responsibility to the worker? Huh? BTW I am a business owner, and cheap wages are no substitute for bad management. And Polish workers in the USofA have a good reputation for hard work and quality, but guess what, so do the English. I've never met a lazy Englishman across the Atlantic. You know why, they have an incentive to work here. In England you have to like your station in life because if you don't you have no where else to go. If you don't like it, you have to leave and a lot of them do just that. You'll find them all over the world.

Again you're missing my point. Compare and contrast what you can actually buy in UK or US for 2 minimum wages ( a working couple ) and what you can buy for the same w minimum wages in Poland. Start with gasoline, next look into real estate prices.

Once you do that you might actually realize what the problem is.

And what about the cost of living expenses, if Brits will not take on minimum wage,because they are better off on social benefits, why do you consider Poles are so well off. Firstly Poles turning up to the UK/USA have to start from ground level there are costs associated to relocation, all of this has to be worked into the equation.


The average age of a first time buyer in the UK is 37, so you believe a couple both on minimum wage are able to do better than the average Brits, Furthermore I would expect most Poles on minimum wage in the UK, buying and running a car is a luxury they can ill afford.

Why not turn the table around?You notice that an employer appreciate (by appreciate I mean pays you well and provides benefits) and you try and reward him with a good work,loyalty and respect.How does that sound to you mister?

Why not do it the same way as Spain, as unemployed when you have drawn down your benefits paid in, you are on basic minimum. That will motivate you lot to work.

I often see that kind of picture on the Polish streets:

"lol". I have noticed too that all Poles are ... managers. It's like in the Mexican army which has nothing but generals ;). What also strikes me is that often there are a dozen employees "working" in a tiny area which would require only 2 or 3 people.

But it's the same in the British Isles. There's an even old joke 'we're a bit shorthanded, can we have another man watching here?'

Poles are hard-working. Often not efficiently, but they put the effort in. The service industry is excellent value, but I wouldn't buy anything from a Pole that wasn't new.

The model of buy cheap and sell expensive is something I make a point of staying well clear of.

Poles in my experience have a reputation for being an intensely hard-working people, on average! Nearly all the so-called "D.D.D." (Difficult-Dangerous-Dirty) jobs, at least in Germany for example, such as mining, farm work, construction etc. were always done for the most part by Polish laborers.

My first Polish textbook was a Communist-era paperback volume back in the '80's before I even thought of studying the language seriously, called "Pracowita matka" aka "The Industrious Mother".

:-)

With the greatest respect, have you ever heard of the 'buy expensive and sell cheap' model - outside of Cuba or former people's/socialist republics?

Lol - I have had the opposite experience.

My first night in Poland was Christmas 1986, and me and my girl were stood near the palace of culture, with a bottle and 2 shot glasses, watching ONE man with a jack hammer excavating the Warsaw underground all on his own.

He was a bloody good worker. I hear he's now finished it, only 29 years later :)

Unfortunately, there's also the reverse: "You get what you pay for! If something costs next to nothing, it's generally worth next to nothing!"

@Dougie, how much had y'all been drinking at the time?
LOL

It has been well reported here, and it has been my observation over 29 years, that peeps have a ridiculously inflated worth of grandma's flat, or their old Fiat.

No offence - but I ain't buying :)

Oh yes. Some valuations are beyond hilarious. I remember looking at one flat that was obviously Grandma's old place, and the woman wanted nearly 20% more than the going rate for the same kind of flat - and this place also needed to be renovated.

I've heard stories about how people won't let Grandma sell her flat for less than they think it's worth, even though the money would go a long way to help her in her old age. That disgusts me :(

It's got to the stage with empty properties where I (almost) favour some government legislation - daft as it sounds. Nobody is EVER going to pay some of the daft prices being bandied around for (example) a flat in an old Silesia slum in Bytom.

Unless the buyer enjoys pain :)

Worth a thread on it's own. It isn't really OT Mods, because owning real estate is tied in with how hard we work, and ambition etc.... But as you are American, I don't have to point that out surely? :)