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Any treatment centres for homos in Poland?


jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #391
doing stuff not to other people's taste in private places is quite criminal.

Marching down the street chanting racist slogans is not to most people's taste - why single out homosexuals?

Still, I know that the gays that take part in the parade only represent a small minority of all gay people.

Though all gay people (and wider society in some sense) benefit from what has been achieved by those who shout loudest. Do you think women won equal pay by staying silent and waiting for men to give it them?

Worth mentioning that a few years ago I attended one of the Warsaw parades (as I do whenever I'm in the same city as a parade) and about half of the people I knew there were in fact not gay at all. Those parades tend to be quite fun occasions - family occasions even.

At least gay marches are highly unlikely to turn violent

It hasn't in fact happened much unless some right-wing nutters decide to cause trouble, and fortunately the police know which group are upstanding taxpayers and which are riff-raff. Though the modern gay rights movement started in 1967 when the New York police raided a drag bar for no reason other than bigotry and the drag queens gave them a thorough kicking.
Teffle 22 | 1318  
23 Nov 2010 /  #392
Harvey Milk? Yaayyyy PINK POWER !!!
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #393
Long before Councilman Milk (wwho is an interesting, if imperfect example of grassroots democracy) and on a different coast. Check out the Stonewall Riot on wikipedia!
Teffle 22 | 1318  
23 Nov 2010 /  #394
and about half of the people I knew there were in fact not gay at all.

Yes, well worth mentioning.

It was the same for other parades/demos I've been around.

and on a different coast.

Oops. Of course!

Check out the Stonewall Riot on wikipedia!

Will do.
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #395
At least gay marches are highly unlikely to turn violent

Why? Do you believe them to be peaceful, think again !

Do you think women won equal pay by staying silent and waiting for men to give it them?

Do you claim this to be some kind of achievement!?

and fortunately the police know which group are upstanding taxpayers and which are riff-raff

do they now? I naively thought that that implement a law!
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #396
Do you claim this to be some kind of achievement!?

Of course! Women fought long and hard in a process involving quite a lot of extreme action in order to first get the vote, then equal pay and which is still going on today. Do you think it wasn't an achievement when women achieved equal pay?

do they now? I naively thought that that implement a law!

Yes - to protect citizens from lawbreakers, including those threatening violence.
Teffle 22 | 1318  
23 Nov 2010 /  #397
Do you believe them to be peaceful

The participants? yes, the vast majority.

The agitators/disruptors, those protesting at the protest? no, the vast majority seem to be intent on violence.
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #398
Do you think it wasn't an achievement when women achieved equal pay?

Yes I do think that that wasn't an achievement !

to protect citizens from lawbreakers,

you put it differently before :)
As if they knew ahead (police) who is untouchable and who is for trashing!

The participants?

the gays, I thought that you saying that gays less violence prone because of their gayness!
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #399
Yes I do think that that wasn't an achievement !

So you think women should be paid less than men?

you put it differently before :)
As if they knew ahead (police) who is untouchable and who is for trashing!

And rightly so, when a Parade is held by well-dressed people having fun, riding on floats sponsored by businesses, dancing, handing out gifts and welcoming visitors, and the 'other side' have jackboots and are shouting agressive slogans. If you were in the police, which would you be watching?
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #400
So you think women should be paid less than men?

Equal pay has changed social structure, before a family men were paid more, because of their family, equal pay for women, then equal pay for singles and so on.....

Equal meant less, and equal is not necessarily just !

I suppose nowadays that is not an issue - I have only said that it wasn't an achievement because it wasn't !
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #401
Equal pay has changed social structure, before a family men were paid more, because of their family, equal pay for women, then equal pay for singles and so on.....
Equal meant less, and equal is not necessarily just !

Sounds very much like "From each according to his ability, from each according to his need". Personally, I'm rather less of a Marxist than you evidently are - I just believe in the good old capitalist 'cash nexus', do a job, get paid as much as you can get for it.
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #402
get paid as much as you can get for it.

not good indicator of a quality or a worth of work
secondly, in real money or in paper tickets ?

Sounds very much like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Sounds to me as reasonable in principle!
Anyhow its news to me that USA in 50s have been a Marxist state ...well, what do I know
kondzior 11 | 1037  
23 Nov 2010 /  #403
But the one thing is overlooked. The fags/gays/whatever-PC-name-you-like, as any other organised group of perverts, are harmfull to the society. So they need to be stoped. Happiness of any small group, if said group is harmfull to the humanity at large, is completly irrelevant! Or the next day we'll see pride parade of pedofiles or rapists.

I do pity any Faq, that it was born being such a miserable criter, but giving them any "rights" is absolutely out of the question.
trener zolwia 1 | 939  
23 Nov 2010 /  #404
We have a lot of gay parades in Sweden and they are nothing but degenerate spectacles of decadence and disgust. I don't mind people being gay if they stay in the closet.

So the parades over there are indeed the pervert spectacles they are here.
Yes, they should keep that sh!t in the closet.

The people encouraging and organizing the parades are of the same ethnic group everywhere in Europe, but for the risk of being politically incorrect I'm not going to go into more details.

I wish you'd explain this further.

gays that take part in the parade only represent a small minority of all gay people. In my opinion any healthy society would ban such spectacles.

Or at least hold the pervert freaks to the same decency standards as we do others.

it should stay in their personal places, not on the middle of the street knowing that it can offend the masses!

Right. It is their intention to offend. And force others to accept their perversions.

Those parades tend to be quite fun occasions - family occasions even.

They are no place for kids. Anyone bringing children to such spectacles should be arrested for child endangerment, exposing them to indecency.

Though all gay people (and wider society in some sense) benefit from what has been achieved by those who shout loudest.

Yes, this is the modern militant model. Doesn't matter how worthy the cause; just who can shout the loudest.

Do you think women won equal pay by staying silent and waiting for men to give it them?

Well women didn't achieve what they have by staging outlandish and offensive prn parades.

Equal meant less, and equal is not necessarily just !

True. Everything should be earned. The minute society gets to 'granting' things on a social basis an injustice is served.

Sounds very much like "From each according to his ability, from each according to his need". Personally, I'm rather less of a Marxist than you evidently are - I just believe in the good old capitalist 'cash nexus', do a job, get paid as much as you can get for it.

Actually, no. Your stand of coerced equality for all despite what reality and society might dictate fits the Marxist model perfectly.

next day we'll see pride parade of pedofiles or rapists.

Oh yeah, this is coming. Bet on it. Once we grant validation to one perversion the others will demand the same. And the decent people who oppose will be PC bullied into "tolerance" and acceptance 'else they'll be called ugly names...

It's the Slippery Slope of society's decline.
Harry  
23 Nov 2010 /  #405
The fags/gays/whatever-PC-name-you-like, as any other organised group of perverts, are harmfull to the society. So they need to be stoped.

So are fuccktarded morons. Can we now stop you?
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #406
not good indicator of a quality or a worth of work

But an indicator of relationships within capitalism.

Sounds to me as reasonable in principle!
Anyhow its news to me that USA in 50s have been a Marxist state ...well, what do I know

What indeed. I don't know where you come up with 1950s America from - I was quoting Karl Marx, from Das Kapital. Interesting you think Marx is "reasonable in principle".

fags/gays/whatever-PC-name-you-like,

perverts, are harmfull

they need to be stoped

pedofiles or rapists

Fortunately the people of Warsaw and their elected representatives seem to think otherwise.

I do pity any Faq, that it was born being such a miserable criter, but giving them any "rights" is absolutely out of the question.

Hardly a matter of what you want to 'give' or not, since you evidently haven't "stoped" gay people getting rights and continuing to get more. It seems you can write nastily on the internet about it, but can't deliver on what you say.

We however have.re

Actually, no. Your stand of coerced equality for all despite what reality and society might dictate fits the Marxist model perfectly.

I prefer to think that equality is something we should "hold to be self-evident" as it says in your constitution. Are you trying to bleat that your Founding Fathers were Marxists?

outlandish and offensive prn parades.

You've clearly never been to any of the Warsaw parades!
trener zolwia 1 | 939  
23 Nov 2010 /  #407
Hardly a matter of what you want to 'give' or not, since you evidently haven't "stoped" gay people getting rights and continuing to get more. It seems you can write nastily on the internet about it, but can't deliver on what you say.
We however have.

Don't get too cocky there. What you have been granted has been given you. And that which has been given can be taken away.
kondzior 11 | 1037  
23 Nov 2010 /  #408
I was quoted by Harry himself. My life is fulfilled now.
But Harry, you know, this is the internet era. Every moron and his mother has the right to publish his opinions on the public forums. As your very existence proves.

So why would I stop now, again? Hugh?
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #409
Don't get too cocky there. What you have been granted has been given you. And that which has been given can be taken away.

Fought for hard and won - some things can't be taken away in a free society - which in Poland we have.
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #410
But an indicator of erelationships within capitalism.

Which are plainly wrong !

I don't know where you come up with 1950s America from

As an example of the place where a family men were paid higher wages because of their families.

I was quoting Karl Marx, from Das Kapital.

I know!

Interesting you think Marx is "reasonable in principle".

You mean the quote, yes it is ! Do you find it shocking ?
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #411
I didn't think you were on the left! A genuine surprise!!

You mean the quote, yes it is ! Do you find it shocking ?

And plainly wrong.
trener zolwia 1 | 939  
23 Nov 2010 /  #412
Fought for hard and won

Did you fight a war and win? Or did you merely b!tch and moan and whine and demand and stomp your feet until it was granted you?

some things can't be taken away

Don't be so sure.
Ironside 50 | 12338  
23 Nov 2010 /  #413
I didn't think you were on the left!

What is left ?

And plainly wrong.

the wrong principle or the wrong quote ?:)
Harry  
23 Nov 2010 /  #414
Don't be so sure.

Yes, Poles as a whole are very good at getting all of their rights taken away from them. Pity they never ever learn from the experience.
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #415
Did you fight a war and win? Or did you merely b!tch and moan and whine and demand and stomp your feet until it was granted you?

Or pay lobbyists, and change public opinion in our fair country! Though the things you mention are successful to and have achieved results.

Don't be so sure.

Now now, Randal - you know very well that has never happened.
kondzior 11 | 1037  
23 Nov 2010 /  #416
@Jonni "gay geting rights and continuing to get more"

That is a sad truth. The failing of modern, western society. But it is not too late to reverse the trend. We must do it, if we are going to survive. If the western civilisation it going to survive we shoud stop being tolerant towards people who do not deserve it.
trener zolwia 1 | 939  
23 Nov 2010 /  #417
I prefer to think that equality is something we should "hold to be self-evident" as it says in your constitution.

You forgot this part: "...that all MEN are created equal". Our society was a bit sexist at the time.

Are you trying to bleat that your Founding Fathers were Marxists?

They were slave owners too. This also perfectly acceptable for the times in which they lived.
Hardly makes them Marxists like modern Leftists...
jonni 16 | 2475  
23 Nov 2010 /  #418
we shoud stop being tolerant

So what are you doing, apart from festering in your spare bedroom spewing crap on an internet forum, while some of us are using all the processes and structures of government and society to our advantage? Next you'll be saying you're a victim of something.

You forgot this part: "...that all MEN are created equal". Our society was a bit sexist at the time.

No, I didn't forget the 'men' thing, or the slave-owner bit either. It doesn't alter the fact that the Founding Fathers of the US were men of great vision and really very radical for their time - much more so than the rulers of Europe.
trener zolwia 1 | 939  
23 Nov 2010 /  #419
pay lobbyists, and change public opinion

Hardly "fought and won". More like whined, manipulated and granted...

If the western civilisation it going to survive we shoud stop being tolerant towards people who do not deserve it.

Right. It's time society learned to simply tell some whiners "NO".

Next you'll be saying your a victim of something.

We are all of us victims of the continued Liberalizing downward slide of society.
kondzior 11 | 1037  
23 Nov 2010 /  #420
@Jonni "so what you are doing"

First and foremost, I am not being tolerant. With pride. When being called homophobe, bigot, racist or whatever, I just laugh out loud at such a miserable tactics. That is the start, as I see it. Not to let ourselvs to be forced into defence because some moron calls you by stupid PC buzzword.

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