Teenage Pregnancy in Poland

Why accept such low standards? egardless of generation, shouldn't all people be expceted to abstain from the dishonest, indecent, selfish, immodest and vicious? Shop-lifting is far more prevalent these days than several decsdes ago, so does that make it right? We're not animals, after all, or are we? Sometimes making that comparisons is an insutl...to the poor animals who don't know any better and are guided by pure instinct.

I agree. But teenagers make big mistakes.


A deplorable thing, but probably nothing new - more that surveillance techniques are better at catching shoplifters.

I was confused I think...still am:/

The zygote is the one-celled organism that results from the fusion of the two gametes, ie, the very first fusion of the two. By the time anything is 'flushed out' (actually, hoovered out, if still hooverable, and if not, hauled) it is much much more than just one cell ... if you think that the D & C version of abortion is regularly used up to 12 weeks or so, and think about how big the fetus is then, we are not talking about one little fused cell. The baby is about 5 or 6 cm long, and has had a beating heart for some weeks. I saw both of my children on a scan at 8 weeks, and they were very much alive - bouncing around, moving, even though so very small. Life is unmistakable, and anyone who has seen a scan will not tell you they saw anything other than a live creature.

But I guess I shouldn't be boring about this. The point is, of course life begins at conception, it is quite ridiculous to try to hold to anything else, and so if this life is not wanted, then it shouldn't be created. If teens are getting pregnant, then their life will change forever, whether they have the baby, or an abortion. Abortions are no picnic. They are a death and the ensuing grief in themselves. Ask any woman who has had one. So absolutely vital that teenagers are locked up and not allowed alone together.

But what hope is there for them, especially in Poland with all that pûrn on the telly??

I think you're a little confused as to what the word "prn" means.


Actually, I think you will find that we are, biologically speaking.

This. That is why birth control is important, not relying on abortion as a form of birth control. What about the rights of the zygote since it will either be miscarried or eventually result in a fully formed fetus? Why pretend like the zygote is nothing? If teens are raised with the right values, they can be trusted out in the world. No need to keep them locked up in towers.

Getting repeated abortions seems like an indication a person is in a state of crisis.

It isn't a baby at that stage. It isn't sentient, doesn't have a thought process and removing it isn't murder.


You'd think so, but teenagers have always been and always will be teenagers.

Absolutely. Totally agree. They shouldn't need locking up if they have been taught respect for life, themselves, etc. ...


As far as the woman's hormonal system and the way her body is operating at 3 months into a pregnancy, to remove that pregnancy is catastrophic, and in a significantly large number of women, has serious and, in some cases, life-long effects. It is a very traumatic intervention, and to be avoided at all costs. And that is just in terms of the woman's wellbeing. As for the unborn child, will have to beg to differ on when it becomes a life to be protected. Most women's bodies would tell you from the moment of conception. You are a guy ...

What is pretty heart-breaking, and at the core of this discussion really, is that whether or not the unborn child is considered of value and a child depends entirely on the circumstances of the parents. So, it is convenient in a teen pregnancy to say 'it isn't a baby', but when someone has been desperate for a child and paid thousands for IVF, they are cracking the champagne and crying with joy when they see it a few stages after zygote in a petri dish.

Re: this question here, though, a new one:
Is it ok to be pregnant and a teenager in Poland?

Because I actually think there is more tolerance of it in Poland, as women are generally much younger when they have children, and getting married/having kids at 20 or 21 isn't such a big deal, so a couple of years earlier isn't so bad.

Were that true, healthcare professionals in developed countries would not routinely offer the procedure more or less on demand.


Pretty well true, though we can't expect one group to share the same feelings or priorities of the other.


If you're married, yes. If you're not married, it isn't so much of a scandal as it used to be.

Erm, afraid you are wrong there. The 1968 abortion act is constantly and deliberately circumvented in order to offer abortion, and it is a big business. Can't quite believe how naive you sound. (In the UK, abortion if not on medical grounds is only supposed to be carried out if signed off by two doctors who have seen the patient, and if it will cause more psychological or physical harm to the woman if she were to have the baby ... actually, in abortion clinics frequently women don't see any doctor, and they don't even have the procedure explained to them. Post abortion, as they lie crying, etc, they are told to be quiet in case the ones coming in hear them ... and that is just the tip of the iceberg.)

Sorry, but I think only those who have been through the procedure are really in a position to be able to judge what it is or isn't. And it certainly isn't something I would want any teenage daughter of mine to go through.

So if Poland judges that teen pregnancy is better than teen abortion, I think I am with them.

A great breakthrough, but not far enough. In practice, doctors allow it for all who ask.

Why sterilise a teen when we have sex education?? Countries like Sweden and others are going very good in managing teen pregnancy!!! Its better and might be cheaper too! Even in developing countries kids/teens are have an hour or so of sex education! I think its govt responsibility as the they will save a lot in the long run...


I am not going to start a thread on here without doing any research and make fun of this country and its people. As you can see no 'developing' country form part of this list of teen pregnancy by countries..... I think a country like Poland should do more about it as it is a country will is full of cultures and trads....


Thats why you are so abusive and lack manners! So you can see my point here, 'the consequence'' of having a kid when teen results to; having a kid who will be idiot like you on earth!

And read what I wrote again....


FYI in this city I live is a small one where people know each other its not my problem if people are talking about that next to me! I started this thread to see others views and your views is like those who are born by a teenage and immature mother! Now stop being abusive for no reason otherwise you will be reported!

that's a bit of a joke imo. Families should be managing teen pregnancy, not federal administrations- a sign of the direction people are allowing things to go, I guess:(

Again, not quite right ... rather for all who are told it is the 'sensible' option, and are too young/naive/inexperienced to understand even what they are doing, until it is too late ... for people who trust that system, and do what seems to be the suggested best option. Let's face it, almost everyone talking here also thinks that if a young person gets pregnant in an unplanned way, then the pregnancy should be removed - isn't that what the whole 'flushing out a zygote' means? So ... no, not at all just people who ask. People who are conditioned, and often pushed, in this direction. Of course some also ask, but a lot are just doing what they are told.

Again, I think that especially in Poland, it is fine to be pregnant and a teenager, if that situation occurs. Families are child-orientated, everyone has children if they can, and they have them young.

It also means there isn't a generation or several of deeply depressed 30-40 something women with no children, and desperate for them, as in the UK ... I think I'd rather be mother to a 16 year old at 34 than sobbing my heart out into a glass of chardonnay, as the unlucky ones do ...

too right natasia, teen mothers are not necessarily the terrible thing that people perceive them as..if you are going to be a good mum, it does not matter if you are 16 or 45.

At least as a young mother, you have the energy for sleepless nights and being skint...and what is wrong with learning responsibility young anyway?

That's pure tosh. Information on every aspect of the procedure is freely available, and women right from puberty to the menopause undergo terminations.

Wow, everything is so simple and clear-cut, isn't it?
Has it ever, ever crossed your mind that information is one thing, and experience another?


We are all entitled to an opinion. Mine happens to be based on experience. So please don't be so rude and call it 'tosh'. Frankly it has a better foundation than your posturing. And getting away from topic.

In a lot of places yes - neutral, dispassionate information is available before the procedure. Nobody advising anyone to have it, nobody trying to persuade them not to.


If only you knew.

It's just sad how teenagers now a days can't hold their feelings haha

Have you had a sex change?

I'll tell you of my friend's experience, bearing two children out of wedlock. The two boys are about five years apart, and are of different fathers. She's a professional screenwriter, and her finances are secure enough, and both fathers pay their share of support. The sad part is, the first child's father is very involved in his son's life, and is regularly taking him places, and spending "quality time" with him on a consistent basis. The second son's father, a noted director, is as absentee as they come, he spends absolutely ZERO time with his son, nary a phone call, a visit, a gift, NOTHING. This poor boy is going to have to grow up watching his half-brother being loved by a caring father, who is involved and supportive, and proud of his child. The younger son has yet to see anything from his cad of a father but for the support check he sends. Rumors abound as to whether my friend purposely "got pregnant" so as to snag herself a well-to-do professional from a field from which she also makes her living. I'm not privy to her motives, nor her birth control rigidity, but I certainly hope this is not the case. Regardless, she is now stuck with two young boys, one of which is going to spend his formative years wondering why his brother has a dad and he does not.

No, however there's a story I don't want to tell...

Re abortion, not all very young women are the same, nor are all slightly older women with careers, nor is every woman who already has a family. Each has their own reason for having the procedure. Nobody has ever compared it to having a tooth out, but for some it is a huge relief.

The prize will be given at the end of the year for the best writer in PF.. We will consider your effort!

Back to the topic now!

My gf when she was only 18 she was insisting she wanted a baby! But I didnt want to


Its because of this what this guy wrote on top! I didn't have enough means to support myself and my gf and she was very argumentative at that time! But today she realised that what I said it was right as she saw that our financial position is worse than before and on top we would have had a baby... She told me 1 week ago that how her friends suffers now after being pregnant at 17 and didn't finish school, couldn't enjoy life, ruined career....

Why teens want to have a baby not because they are ready to be a mum but looking at others (other friends)...But they don't know that there is still much in life to learn and to experience which once you become a parent when teen you will 80% land up in working a shop and having a less than average life style both you, your partner (with who yuo have the baby and if he/she is still with you) and the kid!!!

Hence why the government must focus on younger people more.

^Absolutely Not!
Families must focus on younger people and keep the government OUT OF FAMILY LIFE!
Shut your mouth, calling for government to tell people how to live- they can't even manage the affairs they're mandated to at present.

That presupposes that every family is competent to manage their own affairs.

Natasia - this could have been true 20 years ago, but the average marrying age for Poles is ~25 years (bit more for guys and less for ladies). I'm sure that in rural areas they still marry young, but teenage pregnancy in Poland is not a major problem - this is where I completely disagree with OP. Yes - some teens get pregnant, they do everywhere. In Poland - they actually usually marry the fathers of their babies (we are quite traditional here...). But this is far from a big issue.

No, no it doesn't. However it does presuppose that families taking care of/supporting family members will work much better and over a longer duration than the ridiculous notion of calling on "the government" to do such things.

Generally, if the teenager has fallen for a bairn they're doing something wrong anyway. And you mistakenly assume that all or even most families are in a position to do that. Poland isn't the third world, where there is no alternative to the family, however crap the family may be.


The government or 'all of us', society as a whole...

This.

Also, having sex is not wrong. Having stupid (unprotected) sex is an issue. And when you're a teenager, oftentimes your sex drive gets the better of you. Once it has happened, it needs to be up to the potential parents (especially the pregnant person) whether they want to have the kid or not. It is their personal business. I realise I am going to have Catholics jump on me for this, but hey, I'm well-prepared, my mother has 220 holy pictures on display in her house.