Teenage Pregnancy in Poland

Tying the tubes is perfectly safe, it keeps the ovaries inside the body.

They aren't old enough to do all those things, but they are surely old enough to have sex and get pregnant. They are old enough to take birth control or have abortions.

i didn't mean it wasn't safe, just drastic, unlike taking the pill. You can be on the pill for years and then stop and go back to regular cycles. With tubal ligation, there's no going back.

Taking the pill is drastic. Birth control pills contain hormones that are unsafe for some who take them.

My thoughts exactly and 19 is hardly a gym slip mum is it! And if they are not married, it doesnt mean they are not in a loving relationship...There are worse things in the world than some young(ish) girl having a baby out of wedlock!


Me thinks you are totally exaggerating! Having been to Poland 3 times I didnt notice a huge amount of pram pushing teens..that I come across in major cities in the UK...


Why on earth would anyone in their right mind with a life want to do such a thing?


And where did you get this little gem from? A person has to have a fixed address and be registered with a GP to get an abortion, one doesnt simply tip up at a clinic or hospital and get it done for free...get your facts right before posting utter rubbish! If they go private they give less information but it'll cost them a considerable amount of money!

And for some they're beneficial. And there are birth control methods that don't involve any hormones or surgery whatsoever, not to mention they prevent STDs, too. I would rather provide kids with education and contraception than with judgment and sterilization. You voice your disapproval equally at birth control and abortion, which is rather self-contradictory.

One consequence of having sterilization as the preferred solution would be that teenagers would avoid/postpone making that loaded decision and do nothing, and therefore be actually more likely to get pregnant than if they could simply go to a doctor or a pharmacy for contraception with ease, without being judged, and without lifelong consequences.

Teenagers have sex the world over. It's what you do when you're young. Most civilized societies figured out, more or less, that education is the key here, not surgery.

Condoms are expensive, if people have sex a lot.

I propose making it just as easy to opt for sterilization as it is for pills or condoms making it a readily available option for those who choose it.

when do you propose a person of sound mind and body enough to make such a decision?

As soon as they are old enough to say "yes" to having sex. Sex means responsibility.

in an ideal world. this is reality.


Really? You'd rather sterilize people to save them the all-in-all insignificant expense of buying condoms?

Why not give condoms out for free at schools then? Whatever you'd pay for medical and psychological evaluations, and for surgical staff and facilities, would buy truckloads of condoms.

You do realize in some places it's mandatory for girls to get parental consent before getting a birth control prescription? Not to mention sex education may often be outdated and inadequate, and delivered by utterly unqualified people. Wouldn't it make more sense to fix that before anyone rolls out the snipping campaign?

The ones that don't like kids. Don't want kids, Don't want to spend their money on any kids, yeeeeeah. What is wrong with that sentiment? It's time to get past the idea that sterilization is terrible and nobody would possibly want it.

Give it some time.

Countries don't degrade into anything goes neo-liberal hand wringers overnight... Poland has some time before it falls to the level of the UK concerning teenage pregnancy rates and crime

PlasticPole, are you drunk? I can see myself posting something like that in the state of delirium, I really do.

I just like to face reality in an honest way.

how many doctors would agree to sterilize a 16 year old if the kid asked them to? Kids seem to be much less emotionally mature than they were even just one generation ago. It ain't gonna happen but I still wonder at your thinking. Oh well, to each his own...

Never heard of self-control, self-discipline, character building and deferred gratification? I guess those are alien concepts to the anything-goes and let-it-all-hang-out crowd! But that probably explains why today's 'modern' world is such a hopeless sh*t-hole.

Never heard of a teenage brain?
Guess not from your remarks......
During adolescence, dopamine levels in the limbic system increase and input of dopamine to the prefrontal cortex increases. The balance of excitatory to inhibitory neurotransmitters and increased dopamine activity in adolescence may have implications for adolescent risk-taking and vulnerability to boredom. Development in the limbic system plays an important role in determining rewards and punishments and processing emotional experience and social information. Changes in the levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin in the limbic system make adolescents more emotional and more responsive to rewards and stress. The corresponding increase in emotional variability also can increase adolescents’ vulnerability.

Or in English.....teenagers are fekked up creatures who dont think straight because their brains are still developing and are flooded with some crazy assed hormones.....

I disagree. They seem more mature to me, and more apt to get into grown up situations, like drug taking and being sexually active. And every teenager is different. Some are flighty and irresponsible while others are much more responsible than adults. You cannot paint them all with one brush. It just depends on the kid. However, a good many of them are making grown up decisions about things like sex.

All that may be true from a Biology 101 standpoint, but the problem was not as extreme when parents actually tried to rear their kids and inculcate wholesome values. Parents who abdicate their child-rearing duties to the commercial pop-culture establishment and let their youngsters go wild are largely to blame. Parental guidance, especially if convegerent with what the school, society, cultural and religious authorities are teaching, can help channel, sublimate and restrict out-of-control hormones long enough until the 'pimple peeple' mature and grow out of it.

Why sterilise? A depot injection where appropriate, proper, detailed, thorough (and judgement-free) sex education, encouragement to carry condoms and immediate (and judgement-free) availability of the morning after pill and abortion,


Exactly.

Such an injection costs money and involves health risks.

Notice I said "where appropriate" - and that is for the National Health Service to decide. Money? No. Not for medical treatment, obviously. Any health risks have to be weighed up carefully by clinical professionals. Teenage pregnancy carries health risks as does a very young, poor and feckless person raising a child.

follow the conversation and tell me if that was my suggestion. I don't think it was but maybe I misinterpreted something and responded inaccurately:/

It costs taxpayers money. No such thing as "free health care." Somebody pays for it in the end.

nice


I'd rather sterilise people than kill babies ...

That's a good idea, too.

I was agreeing with you.


We all pay - healthcare in developed countries is a matter for society as a whole - and a pack of rubbers, a depot shot, the pill or an abortion costs a hell of a lot less than supporting a teenage mother.


I don't think anyone is suggesting killing babies. Flushing out a zygote is much less cruel.

To some, life starts at conception.

Why do you think it's a good idea to have abortion after abortion rather than get the tubes tied? It might be just a zygote to you, but every time an abortion is performed, a woman undergoes an invasive procedure. Men do not realize an abortion is complicated and uncomfortable. Do you think it's a good idea to have multiple abortions?

What about a man who doesn't want to support kids? Why can't he have a vasectomy? Why not take the easiest route?

To some. Not to the majority of professionals.


A good idea. Illegal in Poland, unfortunately.

You are talking about post war baby boom children, not some mythical abstinent generation.


Vasectomies are not regulated by Polish law: federa.org.pl/?page=article&catid=820&lang=1

health-tourism.com/vasectomy/poland/ - Vasectomy is available in Poland

Teenage birth rate (most recent) by country:

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 52.1
# 2 United Kingdom: 30.8
# 3 New Zealand: 29.8
# 4 Slovakia: 26.9
# 5 Hungary: 26.5
# 6 Iceland: 24.7
# 7 Portugal: 21.2
# 8 Canada: 20.2
= 9 Poland: 18.7
= 9 Ireland: 18.7

Good posts isthatu2, as usual, unless you are arguing with me :)

Interesting. Though it's a legal grey area and very rarely done..