Yes it's true Poland is a very racist country. Polish people have suffered so much through centuries of war that Polish people struggle to trust people.
We are improving, and it use to be worst.
Blacks would take a huge risk going to Poland. Also, all foreigners including whites from outside Poland are taking a risk of danger. Poland is in transition. We are growing as a nation but we are not ready for a multicultural society.
Poland is a dangerous place for people of colour. If your lucky they will keep spitting in your food. At worst they will cold clock you in the face when your not looking. If you get into a fight it will be 15-1 not 1-1. Not fair odds in a fight is it?
How would you know that? I meant it when I said shoo ! Damn looser. Did you even read this threat? I bet you didn't otherwise you wouldn't spew all that BS.
How can people of a different colour be safe when people of a different opinion are not safe?
He called me loser but he and many Polish people will call you much worse. If all they do is call you racist names and provide ugly stares, consider yourself extremely lucky.
Poland is not a safe place. Read this forum and see for yourself.
How about you read posts in the threat and learn it for yourself. Ah but you're not interested in facts, you are that dumb troll, posting using another moniker, do you think that you have been able to fool anyone? Get lost instead of stinking this forum!
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people of a different opinion
It has nothing to do with a different opinion, to form an opinion you would have to have some clue about the subject. You're simply conjuring troll tales from the fumes of your own stench.
of course that is Poland safe for colored people. What does it matter who have which kind of color? Tourists, foreign students or even part-time workers coming and go back to where they come from. They even leave some money. So, why Poland wouldn`t tolerate them? They are and they would be always tolerated
This is now been answered by both sides and you can make an informed decision. Some Polish here say the country is loving and kind and others say they know another side of Poland, one of widespread intolerance, violence, hatred and bigotry.
Bottom line is that Poles didn`t invent ideologies that suggest that transforming colored people into the soap represent something good and nice. See, ideology of that kind was invented in Germany. In general speaking, western Europeans are far more racist then Slavs. Slavs, Poles included, rather have healthy wish to preserve its own way of life. No more, no less.
@Crow, while the Poles indeed were not the pioneers of the Nazi Holocaust, there were quite a number of Poles, especially in the countryside, who were deeply anti-Semitic long before Hitler, needing just a prod from German propoganda to justify their hatred and hostility towards Jews:-)
Lyzko makes a good point. Poles and Jews have a nasty ugly shared history. I'm not going to blame the Pole or Jew but want to identify there is a problem.
Bottom line, many Poles want to prevent the dilution of Polish culture and image. Poland is frightened of dark coloured men running around Warsaw flexing their muscles and stealing their women.
Although I do realize the preservationist instincts among homogeneous societies such as yours, there is indeed a huge difference between a monolingual migrant aka "guest worker" to Poland vs. an educated student, tourist or contractor with a solid grounding in the Polish language and who plans on being in the country only for a limited period of time:-)
We recognize that, unlike the US for instance, most of Europe has no equivalent melting-pot culture similar to America's larger cities, furthermore, unlike the French or the English, has never even had the historical experience of dark-skinned, non-Christian colonies from which labor has been drawn for centuries as from the formerly French Congo, Senegal, Martinique etc..
Be careful however, not to marginalize others, as you yourselves have been marginalized as well throughout Europe!
Poland is frightened of dark coloured men running around Warsaw flexing their muscles and stealing their women.
wtf....who is 'Poland' here? Women are people too you know, not possessions to be 'stolen'. Why don't you go off and do your school homework, it is past your bedtime.
The bigger question remains as to whether or not Poland, for that matter most any other European nation, be she Germany, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark etc. can ever truly ACCEPT the profound ethnic diversity she's being asked to acknowledge!
Lyzko has identified a global problem. Ethnic immigration means the native country is usually sacrificed. Poland is white, and any mixing colours produces a dark bark. The dark child will not self identify as Polish.
The native women are always enthusiastic to sleep with foreigners. Imagine a whole generation of coloured kinky haired children roaming Warsaw.
Bottom line, if Poland wants to preserve its culture, ethnicity, identify, and image, Poland should discourage foreign influence and presence in Poland.
Once again, leave us not necessarily jump to unwarranted conclusions, Cesio! Not EVERY male migrant from, say, Syria, Nigeria, Vietnam etc.. or some other culture admittedly alien to the "white", Christian traditions of Poland, is desirous of jumping into bed with the first Polish woman/girl he sees:-) The latter is dangerous and simple minded on your part and this is exactly the sort of drawing false conclusions which we must avoid at any costs!!
Negative stereotyping hurts everyone, the bigot as well as the "bigotee" :-)
quite a number of Poles, especially in the countryside, who were deeply anti-Semitic long before Hitler, needing just a prod from German propoganda to justify their hatred and hostility towards Jews:
Now I would like you to back that one up with some facts, you can choose from trawling the internet or can YOU speak from your own or your family history, did Grandpa Lyzko tell you how it was?, If so we can compare it to Grandpa Dolno..., there were problems from time to time between Jews and Catholics in Poland , without doubt the Nazis and soviets both sought to use this to drive a wedge between us two peoples, pogroms, soviet jew cats , pogroms etc, yes all this this did happen , no Lyzko the Poles did not embrace the Nazi ideology, they fought against it with all they had at their disposal.
And no never did (Catholic) Grandpa Dolno (Country farmer) speak badly of the Jews, but Lyzko after the few chats we have had here think you have a bee in your bonnet and you wish to think the majority of poles were/ are Jew hating murderers , Are you not surprised that some Poles cow towed to their Nazi masters and sung to their hymn sheets to save their own skins? , this was happening all across Europe a that time. do you see weekly demonstrations in Poland against the Jewish people ?.
Move on Lyzko, Poland has moved on from those dark days, Jewish people are welcome here even in the countryside, come here and take a look, I will show you around.
The "bee", dolno, is sadly NOT only in my bonnet (appropriate idiom, by the way, kudos!!), but that of numerous observant POLISH-BORN Jews returning to Poland after years abroad, only to be met with overt hostility, usually, without any provocation on the part of the returning Jews:-)
Wish it weren't so, as I wish it weren't so for African-Americans returning to the deep South and still being stereotyped nonetheless.
The world is ugly, dolno, but denial doesn't make it any prettier!!
@Cesio,
Well said, sir! Looking forward to your return to the field of battle, sharpened pen in hand:-)
but that of numerous observant POLISH-BORN Jews returning to Poland after years abroad, only to be met with overt hostility
Have you first hand experience?, do you want to come here? I will pick you up, show you round , we can both be Jewish for a week , lets see what happens, and yes I am in the deepest part of Polish countryside.
Come now, dolno! Supervised visits under controlled circumstances are scarcely comparable to simply, unobtrusively, showing up somewhere and finding a hostile welcome:-) In the case of the Polish-born returning whom I mentioned before, why pray, would they bother to lie or exaggerate their experiences??! What anyone in their situation would like is nothing more than to be received at least neutally, not necessarily with open arms!!
Furthermore, anti-Semitism is not always so easy to detect. Only in the most egregious examples, are identifiable Jews met with open hostility.
Jewish paranoia?? Seems to me, having experienced "light" anti-Semitism right here in the US, that given the history of anti-Jewish persecution, in Poland and elsewhere, Jews in Poland are not being paranoid, they actually have been persecuted and it wasn't that long ago, only fourty-odd years, since Mieczysław Moczar terrorized Poland with his anti-foreign, xenophobic rants, thus inciting violence.
Come now, dolno! Supervised visits under controlled circumstances
Lyzko do you think I would bother to create a special visit for you, no we will start at the local drinking den then move on to our local vet, she is the knowledge when it comes to rural dolno land, let the people speak their minds, don't worry you would be safe with me in case of the odd random lunatic.
"anti-Semitism right here in the US,"
I think you have a good point there just look at polonious and other Polams here when it comes to Jews , they must be stuck in the 18th century when their parents left whatever Poland was called at the time, they would have a shock if they came here bleating about Jews, everyone would think they were nutters.
@Crow, while the Poles indeed were not the pioneers of the Nazi Holocaust, there were quite a number of Poles, especially in the countryside, who were deeply anti-Semitic long before Hitler
luckily or unfortunately, we are just humans. All of us. And, it is truth that its not Poles who invented Nazism but Germans. Then many humans, as humans, being manipulated, bowed down to Nazism.
The difference is, Jews have a relatively short history in the US, perhaps as a group vs. as individuals, only since the late 18th century, and NEVER in large ghettos!
In Europe aka Poland, Jews have a considerably longer history, dating back to around the time of Charlemagne (Karol Wielki to youLOL), hence that many more years, nearly a millenium, of time needed for the local Christian population to develop stereotypes about them:-))
By the early 1800's in America, Jews were still an exotic species for most. Not so in Poland, where the "villlage Jew" became a sort of icon, complete with unsavory reputation or first impression, as arch usurer, cheat and crooked businessman!
