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Amathyst  19 | 2700  
14 Oct 2010 /  #31
Polish girls are probably the biggest ****** on the face of the planet

If you dont mind, British girls have that title! :D Or did ;0)

I think you're being unfair, it'll be a minory rather than the majority.

employment of teachers due to the shrinking population.

They should think themselves lucky, England is expected to grow to twice its size in the not too distance future! The vast majority of babies born are unfortunately to none British (English, Irish, Scots & Welsh) mothers...Sad :(
Seanus  15 | 19666  
14 Oct 2010 /  #32
The population is showing signs of aging and the low level of births isn't helping. Nevermind, there's always 1,000,000 that can come back and redress the balance ;) ;)
AdamKadmon  2 | 494  
14 Oct 2010 /  #33
photius.com/rankings/world2050_rank.html

Population Projections by Country:

Population by Country

__________India_____________China_____________USA__________Poland

1950 ...357,561___________554,760__________157,813__________24,824
2000 1,008,937__________1,275,133__________283,230__________38,605
2015 1,230,484__________1,410,217__________321,225__________38,035
2025 1,351,801__________1,470,787__________346,822__________37,254
2050 1,572,055__________1,462,058__________397,063__________33,370
MediaWatch  10 | 942  
14 Oct 2010 /  #34
The population is showing signs of aging and the low level of births isn't helping. Nevermind, there's always 1,000,000 that can come back and redress the balance ;) ;)

Seanus,

I thought I read that Poles in England and Ireland are having proportionally more kids then elsewhere. Do you know anything about that?
milky  13 | 1656  
14 Oct 2010 /  #35
well i think there are too many in India for sure!
AdamKadmon  2 | 494  
14 Oct 2010 /  #36
Population growth rate

The CIA World Factbook: some countries experience negative population growth, especially in Eastern Europe



Seanus  15 | 19666  
14 Oct 2010 /  #37
Media Watch, once the benefits are secured, they are off and running :) A sure way to extend the population.
Amathyst  19 | 2700  
15 Oct 2010 /  #38
The figures on that chart are grossly under estimated, these are what Britian predicts:

Future population growth UK
MILLIONS, ONS PRINCIPAL PROJECTION 2008-based, published 21 October 2009

Mid-2005 Mid-2006 Mid-2010Mid-2020 Mid-2031 Mid-2041 Mid-2051
Mid-2061 60.587 62.222 66.522 70.933 74.165 77.073 79.697

Mid-2071 Mid-2076
82.341 85.141

The truth is that the figures will be much higher!

optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.ukpoptable.html

Compared to MedaWatch's link:

United Kingdom
1950 - 50,616
2000 - 59,415
2015 - 60,566
2025 - 61,243
2050 - 58,933

______________________________________________________________________ ____

So I wouldnt say Polands population was as small as it seems - maybe Poles are not having as many babies, but there will be others making up for that :D
rychlik  41 | 372  
15 Oct 2010 /  #39
I will make a prediction that in the next decade or so a lot of Poles will return to Poland to start up business and work. I don't see Poland becoming a refugee country. America, Canada and the UK are not that great anymore.
OP hague1cmaeron  14 | 1366  
15 Oct 2010 /  #40
I will make a prediction that in the next decade or so a lot of Poles will return to Poland to start up business and work.

Well i hope that is the case, that at least half of them return. Even the ones with distant Polish relations.

I wouldn't mind more Brits, Irish and Australians coming over as well.
milky  13 | 1656  
15 Oct 2010 /  #41
Maslows' hierarchy of needs 1. Biological and Physiological needs - air, food, drink, shelter, warmth, sex, sleep, etc.

Shelter???

In 2010 Internet surveys showed that Poland is one of countries with rather high house price to income ratio (13.58 - it decreased from 23.90 in 2009)
convex  20 | 3928  
15 Oct 2010 /  #42
In 2010 Internet surveys showed that Poland is one of countries with rather high house price to income ratio (13.58 - it decreased from 23.90 in 2009)

You assume that the majority of people need to lay out money to have shelter, which is false.
milky  13 | 1656  
15 Oct 2010 /  #43
All people need money to purchase shelter in a free capitalist society, unless you're a fox or a rabbit or something. This is fact.
convex  20 | 3928  
15 Oct 2010 /  #44
Unless that purchase has already been made. Shelter does not need to be repurchased every generation. This is obvious based on debt free home ownership rates in Poland.

Plus, what capitalist society? The Polish government (like most CEE governments) provides subsidies and government housing to people that can't afford, or don't own their property.
PennBoy  76 | 2429  
15 Oct 2010 /  #45
It really sucks how Eurpoean populations are getting older and shrinking, while these 3rd world nobodies multiply like roaches
Seanus  15 | 19666  
15 Oct 2010 /  #46
It will be a big problem in the future according to demographic trends. As long as we don't become desensitised to one another in terms of male/female. Japan (yup, again) has this problem and prn has really meant that they have lost real contact and are having far fewer babies. Then again, they have 126 million people so hardly alarm bells.

PO seem to provide a reasonable package for those that choose to have children but Poland needs to snap out of the mentality of 2000PLN is a great salary. When they start expecting a bit more and being more ambitious, things can change.
District12a  2 | 12  
5 Sep 2011 /  #47
Brits: 2,500

Germans: 153,000

Irish: 1,000

Americans: 2,000

Australians: 500

Vietnamese: 50,000-70,000

Ukrainians: 150,500

Belarussians: 47,600

Armenians: 20,100

Russians(including Chechens) : 12,500

Chinese: 5,000-10,000

Arabs: 4,100

Indians: 2,000

Mexicans: 200

Slovaks: 1,800

people of Tatar ethnicity: 400 (approx.)

Macedonis(FYR) : 4,000-5,000

Lithuanians: 5,800

Jews: 25,000

Czechs: 400

Canadians: 100-450

Japanese: 2,500-8,000

Most of these are relatively true accurate estimates. I did not make these up, I resarched for a long time
pip  10 | 1658  
5 Sep 2011 /  #48
does this stat include undocumented people??
PWEI  3 | 612  
5 Sep 2011 /  #49
That number of Vietnamese would include such persons.
pip  10 | 1658  
5 Sep 2011 /  #50
actually, I was thinking of the Ukrainians. Vietnamese come here, for the most part, legally. They do well because they have good work ethic and they tend to stick in their communities.

The Canadian number is a bit off. Also, does this number include those with dual citizenship?
PWEI  3 | 612  
5 Sep 2011 /  #51
Vietnamese come here, for the most part, legally.

They might come here that way but more than a few don't stay that way!

Also, does this number include those with dual citizenship?

I would imagine not: dual citizens in Poland are officially nothing but Polish.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
5 Sep 2011 /  #52
Most of these are relatively true accurate estimates. I did not make these up, I resarched for a long time

These are absolutely useless - you can't throw ethnic Germans/Lithuanians - who actually hold Polish passports - in with actual immigrants.
Wroclaw  44 | 5359  
5 Sep 2011 /  #53
Vietnamese come here, for the most part, legally.

they've been here for donkey's years.
PWEI  3 | 612  
6 Sep 2011 /  #54
And many of them are still illegal. I know one kid who was born in Poland to parents who were both born in Poland and have never left Poland for even a single day: the kid is not entitled to a Polish passport and it's highly debatable as to whether he is even entitled to live here.
pip  10 | 1658  
6 Sep 2011 /  #55
I don't get it? why wouldn't he be?

My daughters best friend is a Polish born Vietnamese girl. She speaks three languages and her parents own a shop in Warsaw- they came over about 15 years ago. Very good work ethic.
gumishu  16 | 6182  
6 Sep 2011 /  #56
I don't get it? why wouldn't he be?

because the Polish citizenship law is not governed by the 'rule of the land' (ius soli/prawo ziemi) but by the 'rule of blood' (ius sanguini/prawo krwi) unlike nationality law in the UK or the US

a child born to foreigners in Poland does not automatically receive Polish citizenship - (I guess this even applies when they are residents)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_nationality_law
PWEI  3 | 612  
6 Sep 2011 /  #57
I don't get it? why wouldn't he be?

His parents are not legal residents and so can not naturalise as Polish citizens. Poland uses jus sanguinis for citizenship, not jus soli (i.e. it doesn't matter whether you are born in Poland or not, it matters only whether your parents were Polish citizens). This is how it is possible for somebody to be a Polish citizen despite never having been to Poland and their parents never having been to Poland but it is possible for somebody else to not qualify for Polish citizenship despite having never left Poland and their parents having never left Poland.
gumishu  16 | 6182  
6 Sep 2011 /  #58
well actually he wouldn't have become a Polish citizen automatically even if his parents were legal permanent residents but weren't holding Polish citizenship - but the child would be entitled to naturalization then (as well as his parents)

I've just read parts of the newest nationality/citizenship law of 2010 - from what I gather all children born in Poland since April 2010 receive Polish citizenship automatically

strange

there may be further strange things that the new law implies
OP hague1cmaeron  14 | 1366  
7 Sep 2011 /  #59
Most of these are relatively true accurate estimates. I did not make these up, I resarched for a long time

Would you care to share your methodology?

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