Is Poland a poor country?

They are educated to the same level, so experience would count more. We are talking the about between GCSE and degree level, which is a massive difference.

Absolutely true. I remember one candidate - no experience, education - not bad, but because he just came back from USA where he was on some exchange project, he thought that sun shone from his a***. He was quite good, so we wanted to offer him job, but then he started re-designing his work contract. He was told firmly but politely that many candidates are happy to work under this contract and he got the job... He had the job for about 4 hours. We waited for him at 8.30 next morning. Before lunch he called and told he had some issues finding transport to work (obviously public transport + 15 minutes walk are not good enough for a young prince) and we told him that since he couldn't find solution to such problem he doesn't need to bother any more.

Ah-ha... the problem is that since 1987 the whole of education has been dumbed down by successive UK governments and employers know this. A good 'o'

level from 1986 is probably as hard to come by as a first degree nowadays!

I wonder what is HOOTERS recruitment Policy is?

Size of a TOOL is always important :) we are talking about jobs where you use brain as tool...

Silly remark.

Very true. I suspect quite a few 'university students' wouldn't find early Eighties O levels so easy. In Poland the situation is similar.

And too many students taking exotic sounding courses that are no good whatsoever for the jobs market.

yes it is, edit.

[quote=bebe25]Adam29:
And as i said i do not care about most of the world.
I care about myself and my family.

But that is the reality im afraid.

Is Poland a poor country?
No, the million that went to the UK are just on holidays.

That still doesn't make it a poor country. Have you spent much time in Africa?

Really? 1986 'O' levels not an ounce of 'coursework' or 'multiple choice answers'. Exams have been dumbed down so much in the last 30 years. Makes the teacher/lecturers (labour voters) look good. To me a GCSE is nothing... i did 'o' level, 16+ and GCSE in Maths (all in one summer in 1986) and the only one i failed was the 'o' level.

Milky - plenty English and French expats in South Africa, even more in Emirates.
Does that mean that UK and France are poor countries? No - it just says that there those people got better paid jobs overseas than in their own countries.

I don't think Poland is a rich country, but not poor either. Not by global standards at least. Even by European standards they would probably be somewhere in the middle. Poor only compared to "old" EU and USA.

A degree is completely different to O levels or GCSE's, that was my point.

Compared to what?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168507/Footage-shows-brand-new-Angolan-city-designed-500-000-lying-empty.html

And the calibre of students enrolling in degrees now compared to 30 years ago is a lot less. Labour 50% of students in higher education paid to the idea that degrees were for the educated elite. Most degrees now arn't worth the paper that they are printed on (general studies? media studies? David Beckham studies!!! ffs).

I still stand by the fact that experience counts for more then education.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mouse_degrees

In fact an awful lot of people have done really well without one.

youngentrepreneur.com/blog/100-top-entrepreneurs-who-succeeded-without-a-college-degree
collegedropoutshalloffame.com
onlinecolleges.net/2010/06/07/100-famously-successful-people-who-skipped-college

dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-1301921/Weve-gone-degree-Why-university-longer-passport-success.html

Apart from jobs where degree's are needed in order to get a qualification to practice then degrees on a whole offer nothing to the prospective employee that a good amount of hands on experience or a good practical college course does. Trust me... I employ people.

It's about time it situation reverted back to decent degrees for the brightest of students and the rest of the money saved to create decent work-based training for the rest.

You can dream, I suppose.

Moving to another country is not always about the money.

If you move from UK to Poland,its very likely that it's not about money. But if 3 million people leave their country for a country were wages are 4-6 times higher?? Maybe not all about money but 99.9%, but you are right it's not all about money. o.o1% is is still 0.1%.. Good point Casha

Hi!

Absolutely! In the case of Poles abroad, at least 99.99% of them are for economical reasons. As to the British, French, Germans, Americans and other westerners for instance in Poland, 99.99% of them are business people (most of them are sent by their companies) or in mixed couples with Poles.

Furthermore, Westerners in Poland do not take the sh...ty jobs Poles don't want whereas 99.99% of the Poles abroad have to take the jobs locals don't want to take.

I believe Poland is a poor country since lives off foreign subsidies and too many Poles are forced to go abroad for bread. Poland shall be considered a "rich" country when it no longer needs foreign aid, when its people no longer need to emigrate for bread and when millions of foreigners shall move to Poland for bread.

Some people may dream but Poland is far behind.

That was just my view from Russia... I would move for cultural, political reasons rather than financial. Poland doesn't seem to be that bad at either of the mentioned things, so you may well be generally right.

However one should keep in mind that higher wage doesn't always higher living standards. For $1 you can buy more food in Poland than in England.

for one Dollar in Nigeria you can by more food than in Poland. Does that make Nigeria a rich country?

Actually, you probably can't. Food in Poland is absurdly cheap, especially meat.

Plenty of people move to Poland every year for bread, Poles aren't forced to go abroad for it (they go abroad because a dumb moron from a small village can earn far more than he can hope to earn in Poland - or they go because they want to get better in languages/etc) and as for foreign aid - almost every country has received foreign aid at some time.

from poorer eastern countries,


astroturfer
so are dentist etc dumb morons, are you denying that poor people go to richer countries for money?


so money doesn't play a huge part?

this is the true picture,

countless doctors/dentists go to the UK for work, they travel back and forth all year while maintaining small private practices in Poland. they make $hit loads more in the UK, regardless of what airfare costs getting there and back. FACT.


yes.


of course it does. how can it just be the dumb ones going there.....if you were educated and were worth 10 times more elsewhere, the smart thing to do would be to go there and make that money. and yes, improve your english as well. +2

It's funny but it's just like life in the USA. Granted people are moving around within the same country, but people that grow up in Nebraska and become doctors, lawyers, dentists......don't stay in Nebraska. They go to where the money is which means the big cities which are often times thousands of miles away, regardless of where mommy and daddy live or where they grew up. It's the logical thing to do. With more and more educated Poles these days that also speak English, you'd be a fool to not pursue a life elsewhere if it meant you earning far more and gaining a huge improvement in lifestyle.

I'm so sick of having this utterly simple, blatantly obvious conversation. do dupy.

Unfortunately, your FACT is somewhat negated by the fact that the UK NHS has dramatically tightened up the rules surrounding the use and employment of such doctors. What was once a very common practice in the early days of EU membership is now pretty much no longer a reality.

Don't let those facts get in the way of your FACT, though.


The problem is that it isn't a huge improvement in lifestyle in many cases. It might be if you're a no-hope loser from some village in Eastern Poland, but it certainly won't be if you're a highly educated, experienced individual from a major city.

So am I,, I agree with you 100%

seriously dude, I could swear you spend more time reading rules and regs of the EU and other bureaucratic crap about Poland than anything else....you must be incredibly exciting at parties.

"and do you know what minimum wage is in Sweden according to the ABCXYC Bureau of Statistics as of the second half of 2010? yeah, yeah guys, it's 13% more than in Norway, but their retirement program is such that....."

lordy lord.....

Or perhaps I just have two friends who both sent a considerable amount of doctors to the UK in the early days? When you know such people and they own such companies, it does tend to come up in conversation.

Then again, I don't spend my days rotting away in some Babcia's flat, eating potatoes and pork and listening to nothing apart from how mean the Government is because they don't get their State-funded holidays, childcare, etc anymore.

nope. i'm pretty sure you just read a lot of boring crap.