Who is poor in Poland?

I don't think so. My sister told me not to bring any gifts to Poland because everyone there has more money than me. I think she meant everyone in my family.

Yes he is, he was deceiving polish taxation law by fake reexport


You are nonsense yourself , you funny men and have no idea about life in Poland whatsoever. How can you say such things , only a child could describe the situation in Poland the way you did .

because of idiotic laws (that favoured foreign businesses)

read the article below:

36 million zł compensation for spoiling the reputation of the company wants from the Tax Office known Polish manufacturer of computers. Has already taken a decision to transfer the seat of Nowy Sacz to Warsaw.

Not only establishment. - With Nowy Sacz also derive the assembly of computers, although there is no decision yet , what will be the target location - says Piotr Lewandowski , spokesman and director of strategy and business development Optimus ...

btw the reexport was not fake - the computers traveled all the way to Słowacja and back

so was he a crook or the politicians who favoured foreign suppliers of computers for Polish schools (wonder how high the bribes were at the ministry level) - btw the charges were dropped as shown in the article

Haha , are you so naive or you play stupid ?

do you think Gazeta Wyborcza lies?

Kluska was a crook (or call it a successful businessman -- at least for some time) because he used legal tricks to improve his business.

It is funny to call most of Polish driving SUVs crooks and at the same time admire Mr Kluska's talents only because he supports the right political party.

Do you admit it, Gumishu?

as I have stated - what do you call a law that favours foreign suppliers of computer equipment for public institutions over home-based ones - Optimus was the biggest supplier of computers for the inland markets in Poland back in the 90's - don't you expects some bribes were involved - Kluska found a loophole in the law - still some interests were so offended a range of Polish state institutions attacked him with overwhelming force and eventually it transpired they had no legal base for that

if anyone there was a crook it was the politicians who passed such an idiotic law and possibly took advantage of it taking some big bribes - or you know some better use of your Occham's razor for the case Antek

btw Janusz Korwin-Mikke also admired Kluska and backed him fully in the times of Optimus hardships

again Antek read the Polish wikipedia entry on Kluska -
read more about the guy too - like for example his early career during the late commie times (when he turned an inefficient rapair yards of Kraków public transport into a prosperous thing - and why he was in trouble because of that)

I think Kluska simply was not too keen to pay bribes - and the 'state' turned on him

For me GW is not any source of giving lawyers expertise`s on Polish VAT law , lol .

Many times their coverage in articles related to legal issues proves the complete lack of basic knowledge of Polish law , so I wouldn`t treat their articles very seriously .

Gazeta Wyborcza only quoted two subsequent verdicts of National Administrative Court - do you stand at a position that the NSA was also wrong and is hardly an authority in the matters involved???

btw these are Kluska's ideas about free market and enterpreunership and the situation of business in Poland

:)

Nothing intricate about jumacze - we're not talking Pershing, the ośmiornica, the Praga gang etcetera.

This was nearly always about a couple of local guys in a hotrodded (and stolen) BMW 5 series taking on cops in a Polonez who'd give up the chase after the first 5km because their fuel was rationed. They were usually on first-name terms or better with the Straż Graniczna at Słubice/Świecko and so tended to get past the border on the nod.

'Friends of friends' - what can I say?

The Dukes of Hazzard comparisons took a big hit one night, though, when I was walking down the hill back into the centre of town and approaching the main thoroughfare. 200m ahead, a young couple is strolling hand in hand across a pedestrian crossing - out of nowhere, a stolen Merc scythes both of them down at around 80km/h, and carries on driving. The couple die 2 and 3 days later respectively in hospital. This time, the police are able to trace the car and its owner, and make an arrest.

That's just awful. I never liked those gangster types, bunch of uneducated losers pretending to be tough guys. Charm of "Sopranos" was totally lost on me.

Well, I did not expect you to understand.
However, saying that, I must add that your description of Poland is unrealistic and not even close to the truth. To be honest I did not expect much from you having had read your posts, but your description of circumstances in Poland has taken me by surprise, either you are pretending to live in Poland or you have been living with the fairy's.


DO YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DO IT?
What is your point anyway?

Who is poor in Poland? Anyone who after paying his monthly bills(for basic necessities) is left with nothing.

Ironside, I cannot help noticing the people describing Poland as a "poor country" are trying to compensate for their own failures. There is so much talking on commies infiltrating business, crooks, etc. while it is just covering the jealousy for those more fortunate. I can bet that any of the complaining/whining would be very happy to get a position of TPSA Board Member but would not give up talking on moral things.

I live too long to not notice things like that.

I'm with Monia and her views.

Name some.

At the same time, you can't just waltz into a corporation and start calling the shots. A dose of reality is needed and some are destined to be poor. As Morrissey once said, "once poor, always poor" (Interesting Drug)

All those people driving new SUVs and building houses outside cities?

One name: Gino Rossi. I cannot help the fact all suit shoes I buy are magically Gino Rossi's ;-)

Antek, as per usual you haven't answered my question, but never mind. It may have escaped your attention the topic if this thread is "who is poor in Poland?", there is nothing about Poland being poor, nor I have posted here that Poland is a poor country, so either you are not that intelligent as you claim to be or you lie.


Well, tell me that you haven't noticed that being by your own admission successful .


You should change people you are socialising with, you are obviously in a bad company, or is it justification, if not I there would be someone else in my place, much worse. lol


lol

It all depends on your level of education . Tell me more about it and I will name some . But I must say that if you are into psychology, sociology, philosophy or politology there are small chances of becoming a self made millionaire , lol .

Also for unskilled workers I don`t see a bright future . But if you are a skilled construction or production worker ( not just an assembly line worker) you can live a decent life here in Poland . To set up a small business is also not a bad idea ,by owning a small business you can make an income above an average level . I didn`t discover anything new but you must be mobile and build your plan gradually , you need to be patient , nothing is for free anymore in Poland as it used to be once .

What opportunities ?
I,m not talking about possessions. These can be obtained in all different manners. ie. credit, funny money etc.
Show me the "honest" opportunities for these honest hard working Poles.



Ah. I see you like to categorize the classes and look down your nose at them. Say no more, you,re one of those with their head up their own A55.

In reply to Ironside, Dumbo et al.
A person unsuccessful due to own limitations will be unsuccessful in every country, at any circumstances. No convincing can convince the already convinced. Poor country.

If you do not see the registration plates, how can you tell it is a place near to Pszczyna, Poland?

I advice those whining to take a short trip over Poland and see how the country really looks like.

Indeed, and vice versa.

Poland is quite friendly towards people in general - no-one is going to report you for dodging taxes, for a start.

Lol, this is the whole problem everyone avoids taxes. yes how true, I've seen it, false receipts, claiming disability pension and working full time, Is this dishonesty or cheating? In the Polish mentality it is not being dishonest. This is why Poland is Poor, the common Polish saying that those who lie also steal is so true.

Mr D people attend church on mass, pray to the almighty and then cheat!! what is going on.
Your comments suggests that you know the ins and outs of how to cheat the system, it didn't take you long to find out.

yes nothing is free anymore - everybody will try to rip you off instead (including the state if not mostly the state) - where's the balance?

(what is more - they will actively seek to establish a situation where their are priviledged (like limiting access to a profession - see law) to rip you off even more)


perhaps that's why bigger crooks (among them the country officials) are roaming here freely too -don't you think
- btw delphi most taxes paid by Poles are paid automatically (VAT, energy tax in fuel - otherwise this country would have collapsed some 5 years after it has been established


is there anything particularly beautiful (to me it is just a mess) or interesting in that picture - the only thing that is perhaps interesting is that a country with a nice cuisine needs to import food chains from America - this is how the energy of the best of the nation has been drained (could you perhaps imagine Polish food chains selling mostly Polish stuff

Gumishu, my only comment will be:

Enjoy life.

I'm terribly sorry for you. How miserable your life must be. You, a poor person, surrounded by starving people, ripped off from your potential wealth by crooks driving SUVs, and that conspiracy that only Jarek could damage... If I were you, I would look for nine grams of lead, why suffer?

no Jarek can damage any conspiracy on his own

Right, it must be a bloody revolution. You'll finally get your government position and you will be ripping off people ;-)
A mnie ogród mój zachwyca
nk.art.pl/mp3/nk_kryzys.mp3

this is normal everywhere


So the 20% unemployed in Spain would be unemployed if they lived in Sweden.



yea lol, that's what the political elite and corporate dogs had us believe in Ireland as well, and look at us now...You watch too many soap operas, get with reality.


What countries in the EU have less oppurtunities?

Everybody will try?

Not so. In fact, I've often observed the opposite, especially with smaller businesses.


Perhaps if people learnt that telling the authorities doesn't mean you're collaborating with the enemy, we might get somewhere.

Right now, this curse of "omg, cannot possibly tell anyone who can do something about it, it's WRONG" causes so much trouble here.


Uh, there's several Polish chains - I don't know the proper name, but there's the "pierogarnia" chain of restaurants for a start. The Brovaria chain (known as different names in different cities, but with the same concept) is another one.

As for the "energy of the best of the nation" - I don't know about you, but I had several excellent dinners over the weekend in Polish owned restaurants. You can commonly find "the best of the nation" right there.

Incidentally, as far as I'm aware, the "American chains" are actually Polish owned and operated.

I wonder what you are gonna say in say some 6 years when the country collapses economically and people no longer have money to pay you for your services - and it's gonna collapse unless you cut off those many leeches that feed on it (leeches of various kinds) - i was not aware of that but read recently (and seen on some history channel too) (I am not 100 per cent sure if it is true but can imagine it is) that after the hyperinflation in Germany Jews (because they were connected to official spheres) owned 80 per cent of German property - would you like to wake up in a similar situation? - do you think all people are decent enough to let those around at least live a life?

Actually no, Monia's pretty much right here. Unskilled labour either gets outsourced or paid peanuts. I know enough people who get by on around 2,000 PLN net, and less, with kids to support as sole earner to call that one. And that's in the cities - have you ever been to the countryside, especially in places like Podlasie, where the unemployment is verging on total in some villages?


... or just smart and enterprising. The level of a person's education is beginning to be a lot less of a reliable indicator of professional opportunity than it was. Student numbers have rocketed and there are a lot of kids going into sociology, cultural studies and even business schools who don't really belong there - dyplomy have devalued as a result. A propos, there's a good article in this week's print edition of Newsweek.pl about the kids who are saying 'sod university, I'm going to go to work' and have set up as sole traders in all sorts of areas.