Who is poor in Poland?

No. You didn't get the joke. Do you remember this story for any chance:


For most people I doesn't change anything since those bags were reused for small trash bags for your kitchen bin. If there won't be plastic shopping bag, people will buy plastic trash bags... all in all eventually everything goes to trash ;)

I'm not sure where you're getting it from. Store brands have existed for decades here.

So those "biodegradable" bags are given for free in some big chain stores in Poland.

Good. They have a smart marketing dude there. The other stores should follow. Sometimes you can afford a good marketing person, sometimes you have to see what works for others.

Ok you got me she wasn't laughing at it for weeks she snorted a tiny laugh and we moved on.


Those stores are probably German owned.

This is the best post I have seen for a long time. The most respected banks in America, sell worthless CDS. crash the market. virtually wipe out the banking system. are bailed out by the American taxpayer to the tune of 1.7 trillion dollars, nobody so far goes to court for fraud and he talks about the ethics of business in Poland. Get your own house in order first!!!!!. At least what happens in Poland does not cause s**t in the rest of the world.

True, because Poland is poor and no one cares what happens there.


what?

ARE YOU KIDDING?! No one will come to a shop only because there are free bags! No one cares if they are "biodegradable" (notice I've used this "" marks)


They are even smarter - they put the logo and tell you to buy it ;)

Havok, can you at least refer to your earlier comment about allegedly not free ketchup in Poland and your newer about great savings made in shops with free bags? ;DDD

Btw. I know pizzeria where they gave you two sauce extra for each pizza you buy, send you the adress? ;DDD

That's true in some places and in others the ketchup is of such poor quality, you wonder why they bother.
Again opportunity, you notice places who don't show they charge extra and use good quality.
it's a psychological thing though, of course you pay for the ketchup, even the people who don't use it pay for it but it doesn't feel like it.

And I have to add that I do think it is poor mentality to charge or even offer such low quality ketchup.

Avalon, this is what I read from your post:
This is the best post I've seen for a long time, blah blah blah blah sh*t

Do you know what CDs are? If you need to be told why certificates of deposits cannot crash any market, you can't expect an answer to the rest of your squeaky pathetic blah blah blah.


ok, it can't be that hard to understand - people come to a store with good customer service (quality merchandise, cleanliness, whatever). free bags are just part of good customer service. also a helpful store manager who remembers your name, someone polite and friendly at the cash register, someone who packs the bags for you, and a lot of other, little things, meaningless in themselves, that together create a positive impression. I realize Poland is not at that level yet, but you will be. Whether they're biodegradable or not doesn't matter, but it does build an image of the store. That's Marketing 101. Do you guys have marketing classes?

WHERE?? People where you eat?

People actually do. When you come to a store to spend money you expect to be pampered. I know it sounds crazy to you all.

If people don't have money, they trade down, in actual fact it is purely marketing, as in many instances the own label brand is better quality, than the leading competitor.


The in house term they use is " loss leader" people are desperate to be seen to be green, so giving away biodegradable or recycled bags, pushes their button.

Bar mleczny :)

Wait, can you explain this? I didn't get the joke.

So as long as I do not realise I am being ripped off, that is ok?

it's for free!


I expect to be close... I know it sounds crazy to you :)

Well you could always buy a farm here and grow all the food yourself. Land is cheap in TX.

Yes, I know what credit default swaps are, bundled up junk that only idiots and bankers trying to earn a big bonus would buy, and you will be paying extra tax for, for many years. Next question.

There has been an increase in the number of Lidl and Biedronka outlets in PL, so that suggests the market for these budget/low end shops is increasing.

people may not care about saving a few grosze on a plastic bag, but I still don't see why stores have to be so desperate to charge for those.

and a free bag is not a loss leader. if it's the cheap plastic kind, it's a necessity. if it's the more sturdy canvas or poly kind, it's a promo item. a loss leader is a deeply discounted item that is sold at a loss for advertising purposes.

not sure what Biedronka is. if you're talking about stores like Aldi (I think it's a German chain, we have a few of those stores here), they're called limited assortment stores, and they do have their niche in the market. Their brand image is that they skip on variety and niceties in order to lower prices. You can't judge the wealth of the population by the existence of such stores, so just because people go shopping in Aldi, doesn't mean that they're poor. There are a lot of wealthy people that are simply smart shoppers. It is only an indication when such low-prices stores are considered upscale by a given population, the way that McDonald's restaurants were considered upscale when they first appeared in Poland. I hope it's no longer the case, because they sell nothing but fried crap.

what international brands are considered upscale but affordable to the general public in Poland?

I've already explained that. They are not desparate. They just don't care as it's not a problem to pay few grosze for their clients.


They were never upscale. Don't make me laugh. They were only a symbol of a consumerism like Coca Cola earlier but not an upscale. Of course your husband as usual tells you giberish.

IAAMe tell me how many times have you been in Poland?

Only KFC were considered upscale in Poland.

It's actually better for the environment as it discourages people from taking more than they need.


They were never considered upscale.

It is the same in Scandinavia and Denmark, and the plastic bags are not cheap. NOK5 means PLN2.50 or almost $1. Moreover, plastic bottles are also charged for, and it encourages people to bring the empty bottles back to the shop and get the credit back.

There are no free plastic bags or bottles in Denmark, Norway or Sweden. The law forbids making them free or that the shops pay for them, all for ecological reasons.

Merged: Why are polish people..

Why are polish people broke? Why savings for average citizen are 0 pln and why monthly tax from all citizens just from salaries is 2 billions euro?

Type in "why are poor countries poor" into Google and you'll get hundreds of essays about the various causes, many of which apply to Poland, and others that don't.

Two of the main reasons are lack of capital in it's several forms: natural resources, human resources, infrastructure and intellectual capital, and brain drain on a massive scale, which aggravates the lack of human resources and intellectual capital.

Other problems are widespread mutual distrust, lack of confidence in political and economic institutions, persistent corruption (though nowhere near as bad as it used to be), poor investment and planning, and, of course, a load of cultural and historical reasons that sharpen the sense of insecurity and futility among large segments of the population. Religion doesn't help, either, as the local Catholic Church is very suspicious of the wealthy West, and strongly prefers a populace that is weak, servile, ignorant and dependent.

All of this discourages foreign investment, as well, especially in the sectors that would increase the material well being of the local population.

An important thing to remember is that there is a complex network of vicious cycles at play, both holding Poland back and pulling Poland forward. There is a lot of "one step forward, two steps back" and "two steps forward, one step back" going on, and it can be quite discouraging, which also adds to the public sense of insecurity.

Yes dear, but that would require a bit of effort, doing one's own research, not very popular with many and also wouldn't have any trolling possibilites :))

We have someway to go but onwards and upwards as they say.

Today's government is helping the poor as best it can with the resources to hand.

We certainly do not dump our poor and disenfranchised in favelas to make statistics appear better.

Meanwhile today's news in Poland begs to differ from the doom and gloomers

Minimum wage to increase in Poland (This will be a bit of help on the savings front)
14.09.2016 06:40
The minimum monthly wage in Poland will be increased to PLN 2,000 (around EUR 460, USD 515) under new rules signed into force by Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydło.

Polish employment on the rise (helps the well being of the local population)
13.09.2016 11:58
The rate of employment in Poland grew by 0.4 percent q/q in the second quarter of 2016, ahead of the EU average.

Australians to open another coal mine in Poland? (Proves foreign investors are confident in investing in Poland's vast natural resources)
13.09.2016 10:53
An Australian capital group, Balamara, is in the final stages of drilling for establishing a coking coal mine in southern Poland, the PAP news agency said.