The most ecological would be going back to caves,
In this case solution was already in place and people were used to net-bags, why reversion to worse solution.
Who is poor in Poland?
In this case solution was already in place and people were used to net-bags, why reversion to worse solution.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #632
Nowadays, use of plastic bags is discouraged by current legislation, so where's your point?
I'd rather concentrate on the fact that due to the Poland's development you can walk with your hands free, like a civilized person.
I'd rather concentrate on the fact that due to the Poland's development you can walk with your hands free, like a civilized person.
She can strike the flint and make bonfire. Yet, she cannot resign from using the PC, and PCs are electrically powered, and electricity here is made of coal, and this makes Mother Earth choke
She could use a windmill or solar batteries to power her house but I’m sure they're too poor for that.
Please stop with the lies Mark. There is no way that the guy can be earning 7zl per hour: that would be about 75% of the legal minimum wage.
Minimum wage is 1386 gross, which is ~1030 net and that's less than 6 an hour.
Grzegorz, you can do better than that. Now Grzegorz, I am going to treat you like a grown up. You have to be consequential, you can't be a slippery p1g, once you have pressed the button those words are yours. Period
Not sure what you are talking about... but in Kraków for two double rooms in Novotel you would have to pay 250-300 EUr per day and It's far from being the most luxury hotel there.
exactly, the truth is not liked here lol..so prepare to be hammered for statements like that.
Not really, they ignore it just like all the other inconvenient facts.
From what I've seen, the Czech Republic is no better than Poland.
Czech Republic has hardly any problematic areas, Poland has many of them. It's pretty much as If a country was made out of Wielkopolska, Małopolska and Warsaw city put inside of it. Economically It simply is better no matter how hard you try to spin it. Hungary also had been significally better until few fears ago, lefties screwed it up and now It's hardly better than Poland.
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
10 Jun 2011 / #635
Czech Republic has hardly any problematic areas, Poland has many of them. It's pretty much as If a country was made out of Wielkopolska, Małopolska and Warsaw city put inside of it. Economically It simply is better no matter how hard you try to spin it. Hungary also had been significally better until few fears ago, lefties screwed it up and now It's hardly better than Poland.
You really are living in dreamland if you think that the Czech Republic doesn't have problematic areas. Heck, look at Nachod - ruined factories, crap unrenovated housing, the whole town is an utter dive - it exists solely to sell cheap beer to Polish visitors. And that's not the only place - the Czech Republic has areas which essentially exists to provide cheap ****** to German visitors. I mean, the country is known for brothel tourism!
Des Essientes 7 | 1288
10 Jun 2011 / #636
The most ecological would be going back to caves, resigning from washing powder, running water, heating, electricity, and PCs in the first place don't you think so.
Yes, I know an extreme family, ecologists, leftists and anarchists.
Yes, I know an extreme family, ecologists, leftists and anarchists.
This is your response to the very sane remark that switching from reusable mesh shopping bags to wasteful single use plastic ones was stupid, and it shows what an utter jackass you are. I wish this Polish family you mentioned were posting on here rather than you- a childish clown.
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
10 Jun 2011 / #637
What, because he ridicules the double standards of such people?
Or is it simply because you don't agree with him, so in tried and tested Polack manner, you want him to go away?
Or is it simply because you don't agree with him, so in tried and tested Polack manner, you want him to go away?
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #638
This is your response to the very sane remark that switching from reusable mesh shopping bags to wasteful single use plastic ones was stupid, and it shows what an utter jackass you are. I wish this Polish family you mentioned were posting on here rather than you- a childish clown.
My reply was the reply to this exchange:
Antek_Stalich: Before that "siatkas" (net-bags) were in use.
Quite advanced and ecological, later Poland reverted to sh!ty plastic bags. And almost all changes were managed in this manner.
Antek_Stalich: The most ecological would be going back to caves, resigning from washing powder, running water, heating, electricity, and PCs in the first place don't you think so.
Quite advanced and ecological, later Poland reverted to sh!ty plastic bags. And almost all changes were managed in this manner.
Antek_Stalich: The most ecological would be going back to caves, resigning from washing powder, running water, heating, electricity, and PCs in the first place don't you think so.
I replied to the comment negatively describing the changes in Poland and comparing them to the use of plastic bags, the same bags that have been used in all civilized countries at the same time. Note: Plastic bags appeared in Poland under Communism, since early 1980's.
Thank you for your selective quoting, Dessie. This reminds me practices of one Jerzy Urban.
ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
10 Jun 2011 / #639
because he ridicules the double standards of such people?
There is no double standard in adopting sustainable practices without substantially sacrificing the convenience and quality of life.
Nowadays, use of plastic bags is discouraged by current legislation, so where's your point?
My point is that the ecological solution was already there,why waste it and after 20 years looking for solutions to change it. No one s tried to preserve what was good and implement what was good from others countries but everyone were positioning themselves in the best place for suckling !
And Damn the rest!
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #641
There is no double standard in adopting sustainable practices without substantially sacrificing the convenience and quality of life.
Show me your picture with two reusable mesh-bags, carried by you all day long. Have you read something more than two last posts?
My point is that the ecological solution was already there,why waste it and after 20 years looking for solutions to change it. No one s tried to preserve what was good and implement what was good from others countries but everyone were positioning themselves in the best place for suckling !
Because plastic bags have been in use in the whole civilized world until recently and are still used in the Most Civilized Country of The World, Norway?
I wonder how come you have not got to the Parliament with the Green Party long time ago.
Des Essientes 7 | 1288
10 Jun 2011 / #642
the double standards of such people?
How are people who claim that switching from ecologically sound reusable mesh shopping bags to wasteful disposable shopping bags was a wrong decision exhibiting double standards?
ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
10 Jun 2011 / #643
Show me your picture with two reusable mesh-bags, carried by you all day long.
LOL!!! omg, you're the best... So you carry bags all day long. (I'm not sure why anyone would possibly want to do that.) And you're saying that carrying plastic bags is much better than whatever other bags, because that's what they do in Norway...
LOL, god, that's the best joke ever...
The civilized world is now (slowly) recognizing the wastefulness of the things that we do every day. Now, you could just learn the lesson the easy way. But no, you have to learn the Polish way.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #644
So you carry bags all day long
I'm sorry but your inability to read this thread makes you funny a little bit.
All explained in posts #625 and #628 and please do not tell me I should believe Americans cannot read because it is somewhat embarrassing.
Because plastic bags have been in use in the whole civilized world until recently and are still used in the Most Civilized Country of The World, Norway?
But still, withholding introduction of plastic bags would had been a better solution.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #646
Antek_Stalich: Because plastic bags have been in use in the whole civilized world until recently and are still used in the Most Civilized Country of The World, Norway?
But still, withholding introduction of plastic bags would had be sound and better solution.
But still, withholding introduction of plastic bags would had be sound and better solution.
Could you just read posts #625 and #628 and go back on topic?
Harry
10 Jun 2011 / #647
Show me your picture with two reusable mesh-bags, carried by you all day long.
I generally have one of these clipped to the inside of my coat or in my vest pocket. That little tag on the pouch is a bit smaller than a credit card. The bags are made of recycled plastic bottles.
zech Republic has hardly any problematic areas, Poland has many of them. It's pretty much as If a country was made out of Wielkopolska, Małopolska and Warsaw city put inside of it. Economically It simply is better no matter how hard you try to spin it. Hungary also had been significally better until few fears ago, lefties screwed it up and now It's hardly better than Poland.
I agree with this.I was yesterday in Warsaw and saw some of the provincial eastern Poland some regions look even worse than Belarus.I don't know why is that.CR is definitely better in all areas and the poverty of Hungary struck me when I visited Budapest one year ago however I attribute this to corruption and turkish mentality.
I generally have one of these clipped to the inside of my coat or in my vest pocket.
Honest question harry, why do you carry a bag with you at all times?
Harry
10 Jun 2011 / #650
why do you carry a bag with you at all times?
To put shopping in when I walk home.
Do you go shopping every day?
why do you carry a bag with you at all times?
He puts there the rubbish he collects for food.
Anyway my impression is that Poland has sold out to the West the amount of ugly foreigners in Warsaw is impressive.Poles allow that they give up everything it seems like an agreement was made in terms ''if you want to approach our conditions of life you have to work first 30 years as our cleaners and builders.''
He puts there the rubbish he collects for food.
I think shopping carts are better for that.
Harry
10 Jun 2011 / #654
Do you go shopping every day?
Depends what I've been doing. However I do walk past some decent shops every time I walk to work.
Also, those shiitty plastic bags most shops now sell generally split if you put more than three beers in them.
In Greece it is regarded as gypsy attitude if the shop does not give you bags for free to put your things in.Paying for the bags is considered outrageous it never happens.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #656
Also, those shiitty plastic bags most shops now sell generally split if you put more than three beers in them.
And you have to pay for them because of the ecological tax.
In Greece it is regarded as gypsy attitude if the shop does not give you bags for free to put your things in.Paying for the bags is considered outrageous.
Because Greece is not ecological.
Poles allow that they give up everything it seems like an agreement was made in terms ''if you want to approach our conditions of life you have to work first 30 years as our cleaners and builders.''
They really don't and that was the point I was trying to make about the education. It's a free market out there, if you know something useful you can make lots of money and you don't have to work really hard.
In Greece it is regarded as gypsy attitude if the shop does not give you bags for free to put your things in.Paying for the bags is considered outrageous.
"outrageous" I thought that only applied to paying your debts and taxes.
In my opinion post communism Poland faced a difficult situation because it was artificially made up so most of its production went to USSR which seized to exist.Russians started importing western products instead of polish and the polish ones could not compete against the western.So unemployment rose.Opposite to this CR had already some brand names like Skoda and it just needed to revitalize the perfect road and railway transportaion system of the Austrohungarian times which connected the Danube countries.The old commercial ways between Germany,Austria and CR started again.
Hungary on the other hand survived always by taxes of its subordinates like the ottoman kingdom.So they could not live up to high standards without controlling Slovakia,Transylvania and blackmailing Austria like they did in Austrohungarian times.
Hungary on the other hand survived always by taxes of its subordinates like the ottoman kingdom.So they could not live up to high standards without controlling Slovakia,Transylvania and blackmailing Austria like they did in Austrohungarian times.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011 / #660
WAT?
Sorry: WHAT?!
Sorry: WHAT?!