Who is poor in Poland?

They will eventually if things do not improve. Poles are living abroad in 'hope', that one day their country will be fine but the only reason it survives 'now', is because the country depend on them NOT returning.


Poland would be in absolute chaos if even 20% returned.

Don't forget this developer is a Thatcherite and Harry is his secretary.


exactly

I know why, because they're poor and every stinking cent and dime matters there like it was a matter of life and death.
One time I've seen a woman arguing with a store clerk about being overcharged for extra 2 grams of meat. Really? You would waste your breath arguing for 10 cents?

I have seen people in Poland go to a fast food place and buy just the french fries and the store would charge extra for effing ketchup. My wife was laughfing at that for weeks and she wouldn't belive it.

My bud reassigned his apartment lease to me and sold me all his furniture and appliances for $400 because it was cheaper for him to just buy new ones than hire movers to move all that for him. The point is that every crappy toaster or a TV or a cooking pot is considered a treasure in Poland.

So Antek please stop trying to show off with 4 desktop computers and some appliances to us because it’s embarrassing. Your refrigerator may be impressive to other Poles but to the rest of Western Europe it’s silly to do that. God, I hope no one else is reading this forum but us…

So you both say that official statistics in case of Poland are unreliable because of enormous underground economy and because people don't say the whole true, so we should concentrate on things like cars Poles own etc, right ?


This is the key part of your post.

that's just arrogant to say... good job provoking people :)

Excuse me, what fast food place charge for extra ketchup? You had to make it up!


bs.


that's also bs.

Let me ask you a question.
would you go on a forum here in the US and try to show off with 4 PC's at home and post a picture of a refrigerator with food? It just doesn't make any sense, why are people so dumb on this forum Pgtx?

When you selling a house do you unscrew all the wall receptacles too?

That's a good question. The economy is booming, the people have the same standard of life as the west, there is no property bubble.

The BS never ends here.....................

Do you know why? Because people would either steal it or try to take it home as much as they could carry out with one meal so all the stores started charging for it.

No.
As for other stuff why someone would like to take old fridge, old furniture, old washing machine etc.? Now people want to furnish house with style, have new devices. Why to bother with throwing it away on your own? Poland is not the USA, here you can't put it outside house and wait until someone take it.


I didn't ask you why but what fast food was it! Can't you read?
Havok you make things up, I'm pretty sure of that. Besides that for you time has stopped 15 years ago.

Pot, meet Kettle. Do I have to link to your thread the other week where you were blowing off about your IT setup?

lol, M, sorry, that's such a clueless question... are you really expecting an answer?

It was rhetorical question. You know what means rhetorical, don't you?

I'm an IT guy, what can I say I get excited about technology. I like my toys :) so **** off.

Maaarysia
you're assuming that you'd buy a house with old crap in it... the truth is, you'd expect to buy a house with new or at least up-to-date stuff in it. it's easier to leave your washer and dryer, and fridge, and stove behind, because they don't cost a fortune, and you'll get new ones with the new house. it's a selling point - appliances, kitchen and bathroom cabinets, etc. if you don't see what you like, you tell the seller to lower the price.

Or how much he earns...


Honey, some people like big fridge, some like small. It's stupid to buy new things only on purposes of selling, because you may miss the taste of the buyers.


And that's how it works. Some stuff stay, some stuff the owner have to remove from the house and some stuff the owner wants to take with himself. Do you get it now?

I also told you exactly what you could do to earn as much money as I do. Draw your own conclusions or stay dumb forever.

Welcome to the club. Hardly fair of you to knock other people for having exactly the same preferences, though, is it?

lol, c'mon people, boys wil be boys, everyone's got something to brag about... some people have food, some people have vets with an SUV...

NOBODY wants a small fridge. If you think it's stupid to update your house in order to sell it, you obviously either lack the marketing streak or have very limited experience with property market outside Poland.

Immigrate, get drawn to an army, serve 4 years, almost lost life 2 times, go to college, start own business... wow peace of cake.


Believe me in Poland no one do this, what is more people thinks it's stupid, yet no problems with selling a house for good price. Ask Fuzzywickets ;)


By small fridge I meant an average size... whatever, it was just a metaphor

This is the only true thing you have ever said on this forum Mark, my business in the UK really took off when Maggiie was in power, she encouraged people to work hard and let them keep what they earnt with minimum interference.( I have always voted Tory and left the UK when the people on benefits voted Labour in for a second term ) I can understand why the concept of work is alien to you and why you still yearn for the socialist revolution, all your posts are directed towards the so called Utopia that "should" exist for people with no ambition and who think that eveyone owes them a living.

I do not speak Polish, but, I have worked here in Poland, invested and made money. If I can do it at the age of nearly 60, what is your excuse? I know you are mentally challenged but that should not stop you gaining physical employment or is that beneath you?

I have just bought some more land for a new project of 12 apartments, its not all about money Mark, I need to be doing something to feel useful and to contribute my skills here, both business and building, not spend all my time spamming forums under different alias's and criticising everything about my adopted country. Many things are wrong here but if you willing to work, most things are attainable.

Have you ever thought that your attitude might be the problem?

Considering the subject, preferences and necessities are two different things.

What you gotta do is realize that it doesn't have to be like that. You don't have to be poor, there are opportunities out there and all you need is to step away from that dumb Polcak mindset and learn something practical beside English.

Can you do that?

No the real question is can YOU do that


You mean, the envy, appearance of helplessness, chip on the shoulder, close minded approach to everything , xenophobia and bigotry and etc.. . Yah, sure thing Marisiu, considered it done.


no need, i got your answer up there.

Havok has overstated the point but I see what he means. The characteristics he shows have a fair bit of validity. Defensiveness too. The problem is that many Poles will stay poor as they don't know how to truly make money.

I have seen American bassists showing a couch or a sofa with 4 or even 10 Chinese Squier basses, each $150 worth, on Talkbass.com. To show off. My single bass is worth $1700 and is considered a 'boutique" instrument that most of American bassists cannot afford because -- HEAR, HEAR -- they earn too little by playing in clubs and restaurants ;)))))))))))))))))))

You don't get it they're just into it. Just the same way people show off with their coin collection, or when rednecks compare who owns more stuffed squirrels or who has the best looking lawn in the neighborhood etc..

No one was trying to prove any point with that, it’s totally different to what you were trying to do. Trust me, if you would ask anyone here if they were poor they would just tell you. Yeah, I don't have a job and I’m dirt poor, my truck is falling apart, my house is a dump and I’m hunting raccoons for food.

Most people here would have no problem with telling you how it really is.

Perhaps some of you do not understand the above.
If anybody came to a Polish bass forum and tried to show off with 10 Squiers, he would get these comments:
-- Well, man, I understand you are not doing well...
-- Are you collecting firewood? Why 10 of that crap?

Regarding money paid to musicians playing in clubs and restaurants, Poles charge far more in Poland than Americans in US.

hahaha... not true :)

Just because i can't spell "squirrels" it doesn't mean it's not true. People don't have as much hung ups here about stupid stuff.

Difficult question,seem to me that each poster is talking about something else.
People in Poland having problems with putting food on the table is about 20%,those are even below poverty line.
Then people struggling with paying for necessities - I would say that they make about 30-40% of the population - but to be honest I don't know it is only a guess and they would be poor.

Somebody should bring data instead of arguing in vain.


Eh? What do you want?You nasty old git!:)


A good point !


that monies are only peanuts really - the real value of those funds is in the propaganda element.
Question is - why Poland depends on foreign investments and capitals and who is responsible ?that would be a right question.