I'm not sure where you are actually from but is it normal in your home country for parents to work and pay taxes for a lifetime just so immigrants can come along and reap the benefits rather than their own native children? Why aren't your parents or your girlfriend's parents helping you?
Poland will become multicultural the way it is going,but only with people from poorer Slavic countries. Poles go west and Non EU Slav(e)s will go west(or as far as they can get) to Poland. Each will have their wages quadrupled. But, in general the Polish population will continue shrinking until elsewhere becomes just as sh1tty. Poland is still too grey for the young.
Well, I have been in this forum for a long time with other nicknames too. So I won't be in a talk with racists. It is funny to ask "What did you contribute for Poland?" when I don't even enter the country. What do you expect me to do? Should I cry in the streets saying "Please I want to be useful for Poland, pleaseee!" ha?
Moreover, my intention is FIRSTLY to have education and getting married to my girlfriend. I love her, so I need to be in Poland. The matter is so simple. After graduating from university, I will be looking to get a good job and create a healthy, good Polish family.
But for this, I need to be a 30-year-old guy with a great job, I guess.
Sorry, but people with financial independence would not choose Poland. I want to choose, because my LIFE is there. But the obstacles are created by racists like you, who claim Poles are better(?) than other people.
I am sure I can contribute Poland as much as a SMS-boy would do. Believe me. Sorry to have said that, but I don't like racist people at all. Someone wants to live in and contribute for your country, and you just blame him for having done nothing for Poland, LOL. That sounds quite funny. What are we supposed to do? Become gods and kill 1000 people for Poland in order to get allowance to live in Poland? I simply don't understand why countries treat other people like dangerous beasts.
pawian... many thanks for that information, but currently, my Polish level is very very bad. So I don't even understand what it is in that link. Would you please send me a PM to talk about this matter and what we could do? I'd like to learn your ideas about that. Thanks in advance.
You are even more barmy than I thought. [quote=Ironside]Coupled with your thread here it save to assume that you are dotty for sure.
Yes, I am. If you saw things my students and me do at school...... :):):):):):)
Thank you, :):):)
However, though I enjoy your praise, you obviously lack arguments.
I asked you for a link to prove that anti-Polish slander of yours about Poles settling in Belarus.
Where is it?
pawian... many thanks for that information, but currently, my Polish level is very very bad. So I don't even understand what it is in that link. Would you please send me a PM to talk about this matter and what we could do? I'd like to learn your ideas about that. Thanks in advance.
Sorry, my PM system is deactivated at the moment.
But I can help you in the public.
The message says:
Requirements:
chęć rozpoczęcia pracy i zdobycia doświadczenia w zakresie finansów i księgowości - Are you eager to start work and gain experience in accounting and finance?
mile widziana wiedza z zakresu księgowości - previous accounting experience is welcome but not necessary lub doświadczenie w obsłudze klienta - experience in customer service is welcome znajomość pakietu MS Office (zwłaszcza MS Excel) - knowledge of MS office is a must biegła znajomość języka tureckiego - fluent Turkish dobra znajomość języka angielskiego - good English zdolności interpersonalne ukierunkowane na pracę w grupie - interpersonal and team work abilities
I want a job that would guarantee my future... You know what I mean. I want to have a good job with which I can lead a good and safe life. For example, I would earn so good money that no racist would say me something. Because I have the money to live like other people. I am as rich as a Pole and I contribute to Poland just as they do. That kind of life would be quite good for me.
My English is OK, and Turkish is already mother tongue. Moreover, as I am supposed to have my education about translation studies, my linguistic skills are very good. I have no information about accounting or finance, thought. This is totally out of my studies, but I can learn it of course.
As far as I know, to do this, I need to have a reason.
Saying, "I am not happy in my country" wouldn't be enough. Some people pay thousands of euros to create fake torture reports and scars... I am not one of them. Firstly, I want everything to be legal because I don't want to lose any respect. Secondly, even if I would think of doing so, I don't have thousands of euros to pay for it. Without that, I have NO reason to claim asylum.
If they will let me live & study in Poland when I say, "My country is really bad to me. My girlfriend lives in Poland and so I wish to stay with her." then I would try it. But no chance probably.
This is totally out of my studies, but I can learn it of course.
The knowledge of Turkish isn`t enough. You need to learn basic Polish and, to increase your chances in the job market, you should have some basic education in certain field. And previous experience is preferable.
There are many positions for people with fluent Turkish e.g.:
Thanks a lot for that precious informations! But as I said, I am just a student whose field is linguistics. I am supposed to be a translator or tour guide or a novelist or maybe a columnist, I don't know. But simply this is the field. ANYWAY, I am ready to learn something different too. I am mad of sports, for example... It would be awesome to have a job about it.
And I want to fix some misunderstandings... Some people may have thought that I want to move Poland because I am poor. No. On the contrary, my life in Turkey is not a poor one and is quite OK. When I want to move Poland and keep studying in a Polish university, then it is bad, though. Because when I just need to have around 350€ here per month, this amount for Poland is, with tuition fee calculated as 12 installments for year, which is actually impossible, something around 600€.
So the problem is... The student in Turkey wants to marry a Polish girl. And, when he is having around 400€ in his country and leading a good life, he wants to leave everything behind and start living in Poland. WHY? Because, Poland is an EU-country, which means I may have MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITIES than I can have in Turkey. I am supposed to be ACTIVE person in the international field as I would become a linguist... How good can I be without knowing & learning and countries, cultures and languages? Poland would make me happy for several reasons, including the girl I love and the opportunities I have.
I understand your prejudice about a young boy who is angry about the situation and who says "I want to be there but nobody helps me!" but this is the situation. And as you see, without any help from Poland, there is nothing I can do. If you want someone to be "good" and "useful" for Poland, then you should give him a chance. Saying, "No, you can't enter our country unless you have your financial independence. But, we need young people who would have children and contribute to Poland, too." would be very funny...
What I want is just some financial help for my university education. After it, I am sure I would easily find a job to live properly. But you can't expect me to own companies and great skills at such a young age(18). Come on guys, give a hand to this promising guy! You'll see, I am wonderkid. :P
Because when I just need to have around 350€ here per month, this amount for Poland is, with tuition fee calculated as 12 installments for year, which is actually impossible, something around 600€.
Well, what is wrong with what I said? I am now 18 year-old and I said I don't want to have kids at the age of 20, which means I need to have a good job and a wife first.
Go to bank. Get a loan.
Come, let's make a simple calculation. Suppose that I need 500€ for month to live in Poland. And the tuition fee per year is 2500€. How much money do I need to have a "below average" student life in Poland? Let me say, JUST 25.500€.
Now, show me a bank who would give such a big loan to a student at the age of 18.
Well, I have been in this forum for a long time with other nicknames too. So I won't be in a talk with racists. It is funny to ask "What did you contribute for Poland?" when I don't even enter the country. What do you expect me to do? Should I cry in the streets saying "Please I want to be useful for Poland, pleaseee!" ha?
What a shocking level of immaturity and arrogance you demonstrated. Everybody in Poland is a racist because the red carpet hasn't been rolled out for you. Really? Wow! Naturally you completely avoided answering if your own home country is as generous and accommodating with immigrants as you demand Poland be with you. I take it they are not so by your own definition then people in your home country are racist if not worse. Perhaps that is why you also declined saying anything about the suggestion that you take your Polish girlfriend back to your home country with you instead. You must be really ashamed of where you come from that you know it is unfit for anyone else to live there and you have given up even trying to make it a better place.
What you are failing to understand is that every desk you occupy in a Polish school means a prospective Polish student had to be turned away. Every job you take is one a native Pole cannot have. Despite this obvious truth you still have the temerity to say other people are the ones creating obstacles when you would be the one blocking the opportunities that should be available to Polish citizens. You are unconcerned about never having done anything for Poland in the past and by the sound of things it is extremely unlikely you ever could be a productive member of Polish society either now or in the future.
Oh well. Maybe you should try another country that will crown you king just for showing up on their doorstep.
I said there are racists. Not everyone in Poland is racist. Read carefully.
Well, yes, I don't want to live in my country and it is not my job to make here a better place. Here there are 75 millions of people and a corrupted system. I don't want my wife or myself to die in street because of a stupid man. Or things like that.
I guess you don't know anything about universities. When a foreigner is accepted, no Polish student is turned down. Because there is extra place for foreigners. I mean... If a university gets 100 Polish students every year, then it gets 25 foreigners too.
And when I am one of those 25, no Polish student has to be turned down.
Well... You speak like every Pole is doing huge contribution for Poland.
Sure. Everyone in Poland is artist, novelist, scientist and this eager student from outside of Poland can have no contribution. Well said.
Moreover, it is RIGHT for every human being to seek for a better place to live. I told it many times. And when someone is against this, sorry but s/he is a racist. Nobody can take my right to live in a better place just because I am from another country. My aim is not to bomb Poland. It is just to have a better life in a more peaceful place. If someone thinks that I don't deserve it because of my nationality, then I say again, s/he is racist.
I don't say Poles are racists. But what I stated above is just the truth about racism. I can understand when you say "I got nothing for you" but it is rude when you say "Stay in your country if you are not rich or useful for us". I don't own my country. Neither you own Poland.
It is sad to see that you can openly tell racist things. It is really sad.
Moreover, it is RIGHT for every human being to seek for a better place to live. I told it many times. And when someone is against this, sorry but s/he is a racist. Nobody can take my right to live in a better place just because I am from another country.
If this is a right like you claim then who codified this right and who enforces it?
By your logic anyone should just pickup and go anytime they want to wherever they want. OK. So when a stranger comes knocking on your door and they say they are going to move in with you because they need a better place to live (and don't forget according to you it is their right after all) you have no choice but to let them in.
It must be nice for you to think other societies have endless capacity of resources and opportunities when you know yourself you would have no problem slamming the door shut in someone else's face.
Remember, you are not the only one who is knocking on Poland's door to get in.
I didn't think you would think it in so simple way. My home belongs to me. If you say that Poland belongs to you and you won't let me in... Then not only me but many people will laugh.
You gotta do something to deserve good things. To buy that house, I spent years and saved money. So, someone cannot claim it. BUT, Poland is a country and people who meet some requirements must be able to have a life there. I am not saying Poland should now let me in and give me everything they have. It is 2012, not 1300. Resources of some place belong to people living there, not Poles or Slavics or blacks or Asians. Because, people living there CONTRIBUTE it.
When I work in Poland, I do something for Poland along with many others. A Pole is coming to me, and I am helping her about what she needs. I am doing my duty and paying my taxes. So, what is wrong when I use resources of Poland? The place where I live and I work for is Poland. So what should I do, man? Should I bring my bread from my country? Am I supposed to not have electricity or water because I am not Polish?
I asked you what I can do to be in Poland to marry my girlfriend. I didn't expect Poland to roll a red carpet for me and I didn't claim water or electricity of Poland for free. Just saying, "I will be a good citizen and what should I do to be a Polish citizen and keep living there?"
Even your approach to situation is racist... Do I have to be "useful", what? This is an agreement. Not being useful or not. You have something for Republic of Poland. For example, if you kill someone, you will be sent into prison. This is what you need to pay for it. Or, if you drink water of Poland, you need to pay tax for it. As long as I do so, nobody can evaluate my value in that country. Because that land belongs not a nationality, it belongs to humanity. As I said, you just need to watch your step and then you should be able to live in any place you want, yes.
I understand you. There are many people escaping to Europe illegally... They say they want a better place and in the place they go, they are doing bad things. This is disgusting. I know. And I say, those people DON'T HAVE RIGHT to live, for example, in Sweden. Because they don't take care of their responsibilities. When you want a safer place, then you must be a person who people can trust. When you are not, then you don't deserve anything.
And my point which I have been trying to explain is... I will be a good man for Poland, and I wonder what I should do to become a Polish citizen. I know I am not the only person on the doorstep, but instead of saying "Stay in your country, don't come here because it is not yours!", you should just tell me about the process or just say nothing. I respect your idea when you say, "Staying in your own country as you would have financial problems here" but it is different when you are like "F*ck off, this is Poland, not your country". It is simply very rude.
I don't want to have an argument about this. What I said is quite clear and I am not angry with Poland or Poles. I am just sad because I am not given my right. And I will do my best to have it in a legal way. Unfortunately, when you are a good man in this world, nobody wants you.
You really don't understand. Simply saying you want to become a Polish citizen because you are a good person is not sufficient so just drop the infantile name calling of branding everybody a racist when you realize you can't get what you want even though you have convinced yourself you are entitled to things that aren't yours to begin with.
In many countries the unemployment rate is typically very high for people in their late teens or early twenties even during the best of times. That's just the way it is because older people have the skills and experience employers need and such workers are slow to leave the labour market. So if you marry your Polish girlfriend and complete your schooling then what makes you think you will be successful in finding a job or starting a business in Poland at your age if you admit you cannot even do this in your own home country? Is Poland supposed to somehow guarantee you employment if it granted you citizenship? Would you still call Poles racist if you managed to get Polish citizenship but couldn't find work or only got low wage jobs afterwards?
If you bothered to look you would discover that every recognized country has borders and associated laws governing who comes in, who gets to stay, and who doesn't. Your home country has them and so does Poland. And it doesn't make anybody a racist for saying these things exist and should be enforced. They are there because the overwhelming majority of people living in each country wants them there. National borders and immigration laws significantly help to create stability as well as opportunities. They can't and shouldn't be tailored to fit the self-serving needs of people who show up one day trying to remain in a country when they were never invited to come in the first place. Each country knows its needs so if it requires more immigrants then it will let them in; if not then it won't. It's that simple. It may seem unfair to you because it doesn't fulfill your personal desires you have for yourself but that's life. So you need to be flexible and be willing to return to your homeland or try a different country other than Poland that may need immigrants like yourself. And if your love is genuine then your Polish girlfriend will certainly follow you to the ends of the Earth; for better or for worse they say!
Yes Its a right for everybody to live anywhere they want unless they are genuine.Many Americans are even not contributing to their own countries.Thats not the point.
But you should understand that unfortunately when you want to migrate to any other country than government expectations from you is more. Its same in most of the countries around the world.If you are fresher and need to get in America they possibly will not give you visa but if you a professional with lot of work experience in your pocket,they give you 15 years visa when you require it for 15 days
Anyways These are somefacts which you cant ignore.
So the problem is... The student in Turkey wants to marry a Polish girl.
If you are really determined to settle in Poland one day, there is one thing you must do now: start learning Polish. You won`t count as a valuable employee if you can`t speak Polish. Even if you are a boss of your own business, you will have to speak Polish to deal with Polish partners.
After grasping basic Polish, you will be able to read and understand what guys write about opening/running a kebab bar in Poland: biznesforum.pl/maly-lokal-z-kebabem-vt11611.html
Bieganski has been dropping analytical truth on this thread from the outset. I'm coming back to this just to read his posts. Bravo!
Yes, the guy is very knowledgeable. However, I discovered traces of feeling of wanton superiority in some of his recent posts. That is a mistake - he should remain a cold analyst - killer professional who doesn`t let himself be carried away too easily. :):):):)
If you are really determined to settle in Poland one day, there is one thing you must do now: start learning Polish. You won`t count as a valuable employee if you can`t speak Polish. Even if you are a boss of your own business, you will have to speak Polish to deal with Polish partners.
OK, I will improve my Polish. This summer, I will be in Poland for 27 days. I think it would be very helpful. Rest of the time, I will try to learn from my girlfriend.
After grasping basic Polish, you will be able to read and understand what guys write about opening/running a kebab bar in Poland:
But... I don't want to run a kebab bar. I would like to have another job which would be related to what I study. I don't want to be known for being Turk in Poland. I just want to live there, that's all. If I get very rich, then I wish to have a chain of restaurants where people can taste Turkish food and dessert. That would be great. But at first, this is not my intention. Our cuisine is really good, so in future yes, I want to have "kebab bar" but not now! :)
I would like to have another job which would be related to what I study.
If your plan A fails, you need to have plan B. Even C.
I don't want to be known for being Turk in Poland.
Come on, there is no need to be ashamed of your original nationality. Your children will be Polish, but born from a Turkish father and Polish mother. What is wrong with that?
Your children will be Polish, but born from a Turkish father and Polish mother.
In theory, yes, but if you look across the border to the west you will see that many, many Turks never integrate (they are even told so by their current prime minister Erdogan). The child will be a Polish citizen, but first and foremost it will be a Turk, speaking Turkish as his/her first language, and being brought up with Turkish values. If the child is a boy, he will most likely not marry a Polish girl but bring a woman from Turkey. That's how it works in the west (not always, of course, but very often), and that cycle is what's creating all the problems. Don't get me wrong - the Turks have every right to preserve their culture, but on the long run it creates a lot of social issues for the host country. Again: look west and observe what happens. Poland is not immune to that development, even if you said that the pressure in Poland to integrate is very high.
In theory, yes, but if you look across the border to the west you will see that many, many Turks never integrate (they are even told so by their current prime minister Erdogan).
I said somewhere else: Polish culture is attractive enough to make people integrate. I am optimistic about it. :):):):)
If your German Turks don`t want to integrate, it means the modern German culture isn`t appealing to them.
The child will be a Polish citizen, but first and foremost it will be a Turk, speaking Turkish as his/her first language, and being brought up with Turkish values. If the child is a boy, he will most likely not marry a Polish girl but bring a woman from Turkey.
You are so wrong. They will be brought up with Turkish-Polish values, speaking both languages well.
If the child is a boy, he will most likely not marry a Polish girl but bring a woman from Turkey.
Come on... :):):):):):):) Bringing a girl from Turkey to Poland would be like bringing coal from Manchester to Newcastle. :):):):):):)
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