Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best?

Welcome to PF, where a thick skin is required and a thick brain is optional.


Yes, as do we all. Treaty obligations, for example.

The statistics say Poland has had much fewer fascists than Argentine. :):):):):)

Certain nationalities more than others....

Sure, and here also housed both Poles as Mengele, but will not the case.

OK.

What is your view exactly? I didn`t understand your first post here....

guys who reject foreign immigration to poland, especially from totally different cultures, do you mean this?:

i don`t usually read magazines as i lack time. the only exception is vacation time. i just bought angora magazine which reprints curious articles from other media. one is about a doc film which caused little ferment in belgium. "femme de la rue", available on youtube but i cant post it right now, using my phone.

the article suggests the film is about immigrant male chauvinism against white women in brussels. white single women are harassed in streets by immigrants from north africa. women consider it a problem but thye prefer not to go public about it.

i wouldn`t like to see it in poland, either.

Russians, Ukrainans, Belorussians, Chinese and North Koreans are the best immigrants for Poland. In thins constellation. Otherwise Japanese or South Korean, maybe French and US-Americans.

thank you, brother!!

Polish women do you hear the call? Just make sure you get Polish guys, not just Polish speaking...

I love it how Polish Americans care for the racial purity of Polska... :D

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=youtu.be/ESdZDwcA5iM
youtube.com/embed/0BLubSdTSz8

The steps are gradually taken to open the borders for immigration.

Recently the new law about Polish citizenship has been passed.
the new Polish citizenship act
As of August 15th, 2012, the new Citizenship Act of 2009, is to replace the currently binding Polish Citizenship Act of 1962. The new Act
dziennikustaw.gov.pl/DU/2012/161
introduces several new legal procedures such as the reinstatement of Polish citizenship. It also gives new competences to regional governors (voivods) in the field of naturalization, which will ease the procedures of acquiring Polish citizenship for foreigners, who live or work in Poland.

toronto.msz.gov.pl/en/

On 18th January 2012, the Constitutional Tribunal decided that the new Polish citizenship law (the Nationality Law Act of 2 April 2009) does not violate the Constitution. According to the Tribunal, Article 30 of the new nationality law that gives new competences to regional governors (voivods) in the field of naturalisation does not violate the constitutional provision according to which 'the President confers nationality'.

The new law means that naturalisation matters will be dealt with in administrative procedure more often than under the 1962 citizenship law. Naturalisation cases handled by regional governors will constitute administrative decisions that have to be justified. In these cases, administrative and judicial reviews will be available. The cases will have to be decided within a specified timeframe.

If the criteria stemming from Article 30 are met (e. g. time of stay, stable income, legal title to an apartment, knowledge of the Polish language) the foreigner will be entitled to Polish citizenship except if there is a threat to state security or defence.

Furthermore, material criteria for naturalisation will be less strict for certain categories of foreigners than in the law of 1962. The groups privileged in the new law are e.g. refugees, stateless persons and persons with relevant Polish background.

Finally, the Constitutional Tribunal has remarked that the new law presents an 'open vision of nationality'. The law was prepared in view of the ratification of the European Convention on Nationality of 1997.

ec.europa.eu/ewsi/en/news/newsdetail.cfm?ID_ITEMS=25359

Poland need a new elite. A real one this time not immigrants.

This only proves how crooked this whole "elections" thing is.Either that or Polish people are really dumb indeed.I mean what this 2 spooks do in Sejm?Do Polish people really want African fugees to be lawmakers in Poland?I feel like puking when think about ********* Polish retards gave 2 good jobs to aliens from 3rd world, WTF is going on in this country???

These aliens give Poles a good example - they have 3, 4 children, while average Polish couple has 1.

A guy on the right is Godson, who's the other ?

How come my post was moved to Radom?

First of all, English is the language of this forum, and second, your post was a tad racist and had a bad tone about it.

Because Polish couple can't afford more children partly thanks to Godson and this other spook.What a FUBAR country Poland has become,murzyny come here and become lawmakers and Polaks work their sorry a s s e s off in Biedronka for 1000 zlotych.WTF?


Yeah it had a bad tone because it pisses me ******* off,dude.

Killion Munyama


Bulshyt.
Could they afford children in 1980s during a severe crisis in the communist paradise?
Yes, they could. Those years were baby boom times.

Now, when the conditions improved tenfold, they can`t?

Improved for whom?What do they pay you for posting official line of propaganda?I simply can't believe that someone could be that dumb to post crap like you do for nothing.

These are two examples of the ambitiousness of immigrants. But what acts of legislation have either of them authored that significantly improved the quality of life for all Poles?

Godson is well known to be a "man of the people" - he did a hell of a lot in Lodz for people, which is why he got elected in the first place. It's well known that now that he's in the Sejm, he's focusing on ordinary issues of ordinary people, rather than trying to be a legislator. He has immense personal popularity in Lodz - because he cares about the people.

The other guy has been in Poland for over 30 years, has children, speaks Polish fluenty and worked at the Economics University in Poznan. All in all, a far better Pole than those who sit around all day complaining while drinking themselves into oblivion. If they could make it in Poland, anyone can.

What are you talking about?This is not how it works in this country.They are there (not only Godson and the other one but all of them) to improve their's (in a broad sense) quality of life and steal as much as they can from Polish people .


Say what?He's not even Polish so how can he be better or worse Pole?I don't understand how it is possible that someone not born here can be a lawmaker.This got to change.

Except Godson has done far more for Polish people than you ever will. I know you can't look beyond the colour of his skin, but still.


Let's see...

youtube.com/watch?v=o_JZB_CToFk

Yaaaawn....

How about changing the repertoir? :):):):) This old song of yours has become a little boring....


Yes, they steal and adopt Polish language, culture, customs, traditions.

I have nothing against!

So in other words nothing specific or quantifiable. Nothing extraordinary. Has the population of £ódź increased or decreased since Godson entered the political scene and by how much?


So nothing specific or quantifiable either other than a quick profile of his personal life. And comparing him to the downtrodden margins of Polish society is a bit unfair and extreme don't you think? Surely after 30 years he must have benefitted others in Polish society somehow.

How many jobs or new businesses have either of these two men been directly responsible for creating?

Nothing specific? What about all the people he's helped with numerous issues? Sure, nothing extraordinary, but we need people who make a difference to ordinary lives. Given that the level of voluntary work is among the lowest in the EU in Poland, don't you think it's a good thing that an ordinary man is doing things for the ordinary people? As I said - his popularity comes from helping the common people in Lodz.


Why does that matter? It's well established that for society to be successful, you need people doing all sorts of things.

A better question might be - how many students did he inspire through his classes? How many of them went on to create jobs and businesses?

Humans don't have to be exceptional to make a difference to ordinary people's lives. And certainly, I'd rather have a mudane person who helps people in need than a psychotic politician who thinks only about one issue that had little consequence to the ordinary people in Poland.

Neither of these two men were elected on the basis of merely belonging to the governing party. Both of them actually had to do a significant amount of grass roots work to get in this place - certainly far more than your average politician.

Fine.Maybe it's time for him to go back where he came from and do something for Nigerians.


See what?I don't care about Belfast,so what's your point exactly?


Just admit you are a member and I will leave you alone.

What has he done for them? As far as I am concerned he just looks happy to be in parliament and sits on the fence when asked about most issues, except racism, then he has something to say.

Why? He's a good citizen who does a lot of good work. Jealous, are we?


He's done far more than you, that's for certain.

As I keep saying till I'm sick in the face - Godson is heavily involved with community work.

So he holds a regular surgery with constituents in an aging and declining population. Big deal. He is nothing more than a simple caretaker for people who now have little wants or needs in life. An apathetic electorate to be sure.


You mean he is not compensated at all? Not even one złoty goes from the taxpayer to his bank account? Sorry for you but he is not a volunteer by any stretch of the imagination. It sounds like he is earning a very easy paycheck indeed. As far as being ordinary the electorate deserve far more than that from their politicians or is this ordinary immigrant filling one of those jobs that ordinary Poles refuse to do?


Ronald McDonald is popular in £ódź too. And at least McDonald's provides jobs that can be counted.


When people are in positions of power and influence then it absolutely does matter that they are able to "give back" even more to the people who put them where they are today; especially when they are getting paid. Any reasonable person would agree that success in helping others should be identifiable and measurable. Genuine politicians and economists spend their days identifying needs in society and taking measurements and then acting on them. No reason the same yardstick shouldn't be used to measure the performance of these two characters as well. But they haven't made any real difference and you know it. Polish society can run its course with or without them. If they weren't there (and eventually they will have to vacate their positions) someone else would be doing their jobs. That's the facts of life.


After decades of both of these characters taking prominent positions in Polish society you are the one who should be able to provide the answers rather than pose the questions rhetorically. Surely after all this time at least one average Pole would testify to others that they found the inspiration to get a job or start a business thanks solely to the supposed good deeds of either Godson or Munyama.


So another way of looking at it is that immigration doesn't make a difference in the long run. All you really need is enough mundane locals and they will get any job done just as well.