How Long Before Poland Has Its 'Dumbest Generation'?

If you consider IQ tests as being built upon a certain "language" - which they are, it's impossible for it to be any other way - this "language" is improved by practice and experience, the subject becoming more and more familiar with the "syntax" (i.e. the rules). Physiologically, it's exercising certain areas of the brain, we know that if we exercise something in the right way, it becomes more developed and more able to achieve its potential.

For example if I have superior IQ I am not afraid.I am going to take the standardized tests(which were standardized for the general population) and crash the Germanics,the Asians and everyone else.But if I have inferior intelligence I will cry for protection and affirmative action.

So why the Germans who are used to German language score higher on average than the English?
Personally I can find the IQ of sb after just a 5 minute conversation with him.It is quite clear what it measures,you understand it immediately as well as it's implications.

And existentially what benefit becomes of this extra intelligence (assuming you are right)? We Europeans seem to have an obsession with intelligence rather than sagacity, which is a far more important concept in my opinion.

You get huge benefit.Inventions,entrepreneurship,great ideas,abstract thinking have a lot to do with intelligence.The more intelligent a nation is the more it excels in these branches.

For example what would have Einstein been without an IQ of 142?

Intelligence has to be reflexive, it has to be aware of its self and develop a wisdom that nurtures it in the best way. As long as this reflexivity is there, I agree with you. However I don't think that all these Civilised values you mentioned are necessarily good in themselves, it's how we react to and incorporate them that matters.

Really? Well that then makes a mockery of the whole thing as far as I can see.

The results of a MENSA IQ test that I took a few years back advised that my IQ was 148.

OK, I'm not stupid but let me tell you, I am definitely no Einstein.

I had pretty much the same feeling when I was visiting Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, France, Italy and Poland. I can't talk about Greece, never been there.

It is also the work you put into.Otherwise you would not need to study.

In general ancient Greeks had the highest IQ of any nation that existed on earth till the 12th century when the Turks and Albos came and lowered IQ by mixing.Still we have significantly higher than our neighbours.

Poles in my opinion have an artificially high IQ which has come as a result of inbreeding.I am sure it will lower a lot after they mix with third worldlers as is the case in the countries the Poles emigrate.It is not a hardcore high IQ like that which developed in Germany by choice and Zwung.

Good 1 LOLOLOL (still laughing)

As the matter of fact, high IQ doesn't necessarily make anyone or any country successful.

On that logic, some of the remoter villages in Podlasie must have been sitting on a Great Unification Theory of physics for the last century...

LOL!

(Don't even know the place, but the joke is kind of obvious...)

I wonder what is the average IQ of people who judge others on IQ?

I mean that Poles were artificially blocked from mixing through iron curtain and before during empires that is why their IQ remained high.Now they are not excluded,so it will lower through mixing.Germans have been living with Turks for example(average IQ=88) in the last 40 years,though their IQ did not lower because they avoided mixing with them(the Turks) in fact they prefered to segregate them and make them in living in ghettos.It is because the Turks were recognized by Germans are dumb.On the other hand they promoted mixing with Poles as it happened by Poles coming to Ruhr Gebiet etc.It is kind of social predilection.

Contra arguments:

1.Studies dealing with kids raised together in institution are suggesting there are no interracial differences. Kids who's parents were caribic black or white showed that average IQ at age 4 was 103 for white kids, 106 for mixed kids, 108 for kids with both black parents.

2. If gens would be the main factor of interracial differences then kids who have one Caucasian and on African A as a parent would score same. Kids whose mother is white , father black had in average 9 points more than kids who's mothers were AfAm and fathers white. Explanation for discrepancy is that white mothers usually are providing more stimulative (better educated) environment than AfAm mothers.

3. Flynn, 1980, studied the IQ of few hundreds of German kids who's fathers were African americans and white American soldiers stationed in Germany. Average IQ for both groups is same (97), suggesting that race is not contributing to IQ.

4. Study from Scarr, 1977, dealing with proportion of european gens in African American population (as a result of mixing with white Ams) done in Philadelphia , 3000 kids participated, showed that relative proportion of white gens is not correlated at all with IQ, no differences found.

5. African american kids that were categorized high IQ using number showed that those kids had LESS white ancestors than general AA population who scored less on IQ test.

Those things are shifting responsibility for found differences from gens to environmental factors who seem to be more relevant for developing skills IQ tests are measuring.

it's not that simple to distinguish how much that quite small difference is a result of bad environmental factors, and how much it's a genetic thing.

It's true they are scoring in average 10 points less (which is quite small number btw.), but it's probable that differences are caused by life experiences rather than gens (for decades African american kids were raised in poor families, abandoned by fathers, with lousy education possibilities, in criminal neighborhoods)


everybody is doing that. so i guess it's 100 ;)

Irrelevant.You don't know the IQ of the parents.You don't know if black or white IQ genes are dominant and will express themselves more in combination.

Who wrote that environment does not matter?I wrote about black children raised in the same environment as white children,you have to make all terms the same to draw results,not to use creative imagination.


Again wrong.If you want to enter the US army you have to have an IQ lower than 110 and higher than 90.All these black and white populations in the army belong in the same range regarding the IQ.I am surprised how you don't know that.This is a biased argument.


Again you don't know which genes are dominant.If black genes are dominant then no matter how many white mix one has,his IQ will be low(black).You have to know the pattern.They play with ignorance.


The same.

You cannot beat the IQ with such criteria.IQ is alive.How do you define mental retardation?By IQ.It has social consequences.How do you define dementia?By IQ.So it is a biological quality.It has social consequences.Tell me the IQ of a 15 year old and I can predict his success in standardized tests he will take 3 years later.

That is crap! No study ever showed that blacks have an higher IQ than whites!


As the average IQ of native Germans is 102 you can now guess which part of the mix brought it down to 97....

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LOL. You have a point there.

If that. How racist of you to speak truth.

Unless the tester is attracted to blacks you're completely right ;-)

Not unless the test measured barbeque skills.

Psychology is not a hard science.

Ranking people on the basis of an unscientific test is beyond stupid. You would probably get better predictions from reading the shoulder bone of an ox.

You want to tell that to my patients? :D

You would need the patients of a saint to do your job.

Its not as bad as people would think. A lot of rewards, but today and Friday I had to let a nurse and carer go and I hate that part of the job.

three weeks ?

That would be a bummer, they keep trying to promote me at work but I always trade time for money. I have too much going on to take responsibility for anything.

One of my friends is a Psy Nurse and I know its not easy.

I guess a lot depends on the team you have around you. I was lucky that I have a good team, who sometimes disagree with me, but in the end do what I say when the benefits show with the patients. Im inbetween 3 jobs at the moment. D/M at a hospice and also over-seeing 2 other places.

I dont know how you could do that.
I've had some personal experience with these and some bad feelings as a result. Man you must have nerves of steel. It must be hard not to take it home with you.

Can be difficult, but its a job and my job is to make sure my patients have the best out of their circumstances. At the end of the day, with the money they spend to end their lives, they must have nothing but the best.

I'll raise a glass to that.