"Letter from Poland" - very important movie to watch

How do you know that ?

BTW show us your potato awards, please.

Give me your mail address and I will send you an e-mail from my work, where I am now.

Or ask a mod to give you details from where I am sending these messages.

Didn't count on that, now, did you?!

greg811@o2.pl


Oy !!!

Oh there is?

Well then I'm sure you will produce a news website that has this video.

What is the primary source of this video?

What was that you were claiming about me not long ago, about me being "duped" by the Polish media?? Are you sure you are not being duped by this media story?

I watched the film and did not find anything illuminating, it was very much same old. One interesting part was the bit about the Japanese analyst who forecasts PL to be back under Russian rule/influence by 2020 onwards. It would be interesting to see his research for this. A part of me wants to believe, there is something we are not being told about 10 April 2010,it was NOT in " Letter from Poland" I need facts and real proof.

This may be a interesting article for you -

tribune.com.pk/story/96973/the-next-100-years-back-to-the-future/

Contact the Polish investigators - they have it.


Warsaw Airport's CCTV system, combined with eyewitness testimony from a BOR agent. Pretty authoritative, I'd say.


The investigators have confirmed the presence of the CCTV tape - not much to "dupe" here.

Warszawski - in all seriousness, we'll probably never know all the details. We already know that certain things are very unlikely to be revealed (especially regarding the systematic failures within the PAF - and I suspect that the report will stay away from things such as Blasik's reliance on Kaczynski for his career) - the only real question is how much they'll blame Blasik and how much they'll blame the real crew.

What are the Polish investigators like the Polish prosecutor and the Interior Minister saying about the tape???

WHAT specifically is being said on the tape?

Given that you insist that the cause of this accident was not pilot error, the tape must contain the pilot asking the General "So, if I'm radioed by other Polish pilots who have just landed at the airport and seen the plane before us divert because of fog, should I: a) go below all the minimum altitudes without having eyes on the runway and plow the plane into the ground; or b) wait until I have eyes on the runway and then plow the plane into the ground short and wide of the runway?" One of those two things happened (although it is is pretty damn obvious to all which one it was), so perhaps the pilot-in-'charge' and the general were arguing over which was the better choice.

It's currently being analysed by lip reading experts, according to the Polish investigators.


Nothing is said - it's a CCTV camera. However, there's at least one eyewitness to this event, and apparently more.

MediaWatch, you don't live here - you don't understand the Polish military culture. Heck, even your own Americans have been criticising the Polish armed forces in Afghanistan - don't you see that Blasik's behaviour is part of the bigger problem?

(and that problem is that the armed forces were never allowed to become politically independent)

You are deluded

Which one ? You are mixing 2 things: a habit to ignore the regulations, which is the real problem and has not too much to do with Błasik, he was just a part of this system, he didn't create it, Jak-40 hardly landed, they could as well end up like Tu-154, these things have been always like that, making Błasik a scapegoat is not only wrong but simply disgusting as the man is dead and can't defend himsef, all his critics have to say about him is that he was "not nice", I didn't hear about anyone talking even a word about his supposed alcohol problems. The other thing are some anonymous (real or made up) claims of American soldiers that Poles in Afghanistan are worth s*it. If you listen to individual soldiers serving there you could hear the same about British, German, Americans and all the rest.

But you said before this video was evidence of the pilot and the general arguing about flying to Smolensk and the pressure on the pilot by this passenger. Now you're telling me there is no audio and that NOW its being analysed by LIP READING EXPERTS???????

LMAO!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha

I thought the video already spoke for itself as to what the pilot and passenger were talking about and all that "pressure being put on the pilot" which you keep pushing all the time.

You see Delph when I asked you before about what the video said, I already knew there was no audio on it and therefore I knew you didn't know what you were talking about when you said this video was evidence of the pressure on the pilot. How could it be evidence when NOBODY knows what's being said on it?

HOW can you actually be living in Poland (as you claim) and NOT KNOW ABOUT these basic things going on in Poland??

Do you need me now to point out other Polish media reports about Polish investigators having big doubts about this video showing what you claim it shows??? If you actually lived in Poland you would know that top Polish investigators are doubtful about this TVN24 report about this video.

You are such a deceiver and propagandist.

The following propaganda from you about a "drunken Blasik putting psychological pressure on the pilot and crew" is totally REJECTED by the Polish investigators:


Delphiadomine your above assertions that a drunken passenger/Gen. Blasik was pressuring the pilot to do anything was FABRICATED by the Russian investigators according to the Polish Investigators. According to the Polish investigators, the Russians INSERTED dialog into the transcripts to make it look like the pilot was being pressured by Blasik. THERE IS NO actual evidence of this!! This notion of

The notion of"Blasik pressuring the pilot" was FROM THE RUSSIANS which is FALSE!!! Unfortunately this was unwittingly repeated by the Polish media for 9 months to influence public perception of the causes of the crash.

Also the Polish investigators found that the Russian claim that Blasik "was drunk" and had a 0.6 blood alcohol level BREACHED normal alcohol measuring procedures. Blasik's body was found MORE THEN 24 hours AFTER the crash and corpses many times PRODUCE alcohol.

The Polish investigators have said Russia's conclusion that Blasik was drunk, considering their shady alcohol detection procedures and the fact Blasik's corpse wasn't tested until AFTER 24 HOURS shows that the Russian conclusion is SPURIOUS and ABUSIVE. Those are the words of the Polish investigators.

Russian investigation fabricated and manipulated parts of transcripts to make it look like Blasik pressured the pilot. Russian allegations of Blasik being drunk are also SPURIOUS and ABUSIVE.

niezalezna.pl/6490-naciski-wyparowaly-wraz-ze-smolenska-mgla-english-version

How can you not know about these things if you actually live in Poland as you claim???

You're not listening, as per usual.

There are at least one, possibly two witnesses from the BOR (look it up) that can confirm what the video shows - that Blasik ordered Protasiuk into the cockpit. There's history between those two - it certainly wasn't a case of Blasik ordering some unknown around. The lip reading experts are simply to confirm what the eyewitnesses are saying - although there's a problem in that the eyewitnesses are reluctant to testify, probably out of fear for what will happen if Kaczynski's mob gets elected.


Where on earth are you reading such nonsense? The Polish investigation has said nothing whatsoever about the lack of authenticity of the transcripts - in fact, the way that it was released was a de facto approval by the Polish state.

You really need to stop believing what you read on crackpot conspiracy websites run by lunatics on "renta".

I really can't wait for the official Polish report to shut you up once and for all. Sadly, I suspect that people like you (unknown internet crackpots) will just attempt to discredit the official report and cause further pain for the families.

Its a fine news site.

I'm sure if it agreed with you, you would have no problem with it. LOL

Just out of curiosity, what do you think about polskieradio or wprost news media?

Delph

How can the video "show" anything if there is no audio to it? LOL

What physical actions can you see on the video? Just two guys debating/arguing with each other? LOL This happens all the time.

Now you're SPECULATING once again for "reasons" why eyewitnessess don't want to testify about what was supposedly said on that video? How convenient. LOL

Maybe the eyewitnesses made mistakes or made wrong assertions the first time and are embarrassed at it now?

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that "fine news site" and "Poland" doesn't go too well together.


I don't read wprost, but thenews.pl is well known to be politically biased towards PiS. You know MediaWatch - perhaps I should start a thread outlining political allegiances in media in Poland? There's really no such thing as independent media here - sadly.


If the video corroborates what the witnesses say, then it shows everything just fine.


You really don't understand Polish politics, do you?

Let's see - if a BOR agent (responsible for protection of the Government) testifies against Blasik right now, then he's safe politically. Blasik was a PiS puppet - so the current PO government and President will protect him. Great, right?

But what if PO lose and somehow, Kaczynski (or his allies) get into power? They'll punish the BOR officer - Kaczynski has already made it clear that if he was Prime Minister, he'd be prosecuting anyone who says anything that doesn't agree with his interpretation of events. Hence - common sense is to refuse to say anything.

And before you say anything - ask yourself, what happened to that pilot who refused to land in Tiblisi? Ask yourself - did he ever fly the President again?

This isn't America, MW - unlike in the US, where civil servants are professional and non-aligned, Poland is a young democracy - and with it, all the problems of individuals being appointed based on politics and not abilities.

Still we wait for the Polish report. PAF-102 is now fixed, so the tests can be carried out. It would be nice if the Polish investigation concludes before April 10th, but I doubt it :(

But I'm sure when these media news outlets had reports you agreed with, they were fine to you ;)

To be honest, the only time I've ever agreed with them is when they quote something officially.

Mark my words MW - we're going to see a report which slams Blasik, probably released in about June - just in time for the association in people's heads that Blasik = Kaczynski appointee = murderer.

Explain please.

Do you expect anyone here (other than "Harry") to treat you seriously ?

There's not much explanation needed. Blasik was reliant on Kaczynski for his command.


Are you denying that PiS conduct witchhunts?

Unbeliever! Burn him!

Like any other general during his presidency.


And of course is antisemitic.