Who's Leaving Poland?

Well, because you seem unhappy here and you have things to look forward to in England.

Fair enough i suppose.

Think of all those juicy pies and pints of top ale. Think of reading some Sunday papers whilst kicking back. Think of a cosy fireplace. There are quite a few more plusses.

English breakfasts down the cafe, Brit sausages, bacon sandwiches, LAMB roasts. Yeh theres plenty of pros and cons. I think given what ive mentined above the thing i will miss the most in Poland is the food or probably more like the price of it.

Nah England's my home, i know exactly where i am there, here its been a bit of a grey area in terms of having to rely on others and i hate that.

I remember the last time i was home, just asking for a drink was great, the guy/gal serving was so happy, here its like if looks could kill.

Yeah, the pub culture is different. It's more of a communal affair back in Britain. The pub is like an institution. The owners tend to take more pride in their business and treat regular locals a fair bit better. Besides, money tends to be paid upfront, unlike here where a tab is built up and some add-ons are annexed to the bill. They fairly capitalise on the drunk here whereas they know they will get a certain amount of income back home from a regular drinker so don't try it on.

Sounds like CZ

Eh, yes and no. It has the same stature as in TCR but the difference, I'd say, is that in TCR they go all out to drink. In Britain, you can eat and play darts, pool etc etc. I didn't see that that much in TCR and I've been there 3 times. There is some common ground for sure.

Theres been a few times here when ive awoken in the morning and thought did i pay my bar bill last night? Several times i havent, just got up and left and not once have they come back to me.

My old local pub in the UK was like an extended home, just walk in and everybody knows everybody, i miss that.


Not in my opinion, Brit pubs theyre just not available anywhere in the world other than Britian.

Most of the locals have food, cards, etc. I think that is the main similarity that I see, it has a much more personal feel to it in CZ, every block has it's own local pub with the same faces every night. One of the things that I really miss actually.

Without being biased its not the same, i lived in Austria for a while and visited the local bars there, just didnt feel it. I mean Pub is derived from Public House and thats exactly what they are in the UK.

Its all pretty much a much of a muchness anyway.

Just out of curiosity, didn't that have to do with the beers on offer? Something like that?

Austrians are weirdos.

Oh, you could easily get away with not paying here. It's a bit more like Cheers in Britain. Closed-knit, small taverns tend to be the 'norm'. Also, crisps and peanuts just aren't popular here like they are in GB. S&V KP :) The range of crisps in the UK is virtually second to none.

I dont think so, i guess it originated as just that a public house which sold alcohol, then over the years became bigger public houses.

Youve been to England right? you must have visited a few pubs. In Europe they call them bars, i mean if im ever in a foreign country i usually hunt down the nearest Irish pub - same thing.

A bunch of times. Sadly me, a foreigner, has seen a couple close :(

The closest that I've gotten to a English pub was the local neighborhood pubs in Prague. Same people every night, cosy atmosphere, food... an extended living room more or less. oh yea, and you can smoke and there's no closing time :)

Yes the commercial aspect is killing off the industry, its hard to find a good privately owned pub these days, the big chains buy them out. If not that then the recession.


Sounds like a bar to me, but close enough.

I remember the Rovers Return Pub on route 27, Kissimee, Orlando, Florida. Thats the name of one of the most famous fictional pubs in England, quite a nice place, kareoke, pool, darts etc..

Poles are welcome to india

indian economy is growing, any poles who want to look for jobs in india are welcome.

i will suggest for poles- modeling, bollyhood industry, arts and small bussiness will be most suitable fields.

xxxx

Come on man India has the second largest population of the world and extreme poverty, with all due respect what the hell are you talking about?

Proper pubs then :(

The lack of a "local" pub is driving me insane here and makes me want to move into the centre of the city. I've got two that could be considered a local, but they're both 20 minutes away by tram and hardly local at all.

sorry i beg to disagree,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India

now we have people from all over the world coming and working in india

Horse shite, if youre Indian why cant you even get Bollywood right?

You keep saying:


Its Hollywood = America and Bollywood = India.

Fcuk sake and your supposed to be a Doctor?

i've been in Poland for the better part of my life since 2001, i'm planning and studying for my exit. I need more stimulation in a career than what esl can offer. and it seems that landing a non esl job in poland as a foreigner is not realistic given my formal background.

that is all.

Wroclawboy wrote:


looks like another "elf", Torq.

Wroclawboy wrote:


sounds like this decision is long overdue.

Merged: Who's Leaving Poland? ( continued )

The original thread was started by ' FUZZYWICKETS ' back in June 2010. So here goes 2012 new year, I have now decided to start my exit plans from Poland, I no longer see the country in the same way I did years ago, Poland has been very good to me and I have very much enjoyed my time here, I will always have fond memories of our life in Poland. We will keep a place here just for visiting, it will probably take a period of two years for us to fully exit Poland as the children are still in schools and we are involved in various investments here. The main reasons for leaving Poland is there comes a time in life when you must lay down your long term plans for life, Poland was only about money and making it quickly, the country no longer offers the same opportunities as it did, therefore it is much more interesting, to be somewhere that offers more opportunity, either for the family or self development. The current financial crisis in Europe will present some very interesting opportunities in many countries in the EU, therefore it makes complete financial sense to exit Poland and look for value. If the EU does break up I would much prefer to be in the UK,Switzerland or Austria over Poland, even Spain would be better at least it is warm.

I would interested to know if there are many other people out there in PF land, now planning their exit from Poland and the reasons, why?

I know one or two, and they all say similar things to you. Polish friends complain that things are getting harder again as well. Even I spend part of my time doing stuff abroad now.

One must always go with the gut feeling, I am starting to sense a real loss of direction for Poland as a whole. The country especially Warsaw was geared up to become the new financial hub for east/west trade and finance, with the current plans of the Russians I do not see this becoming a reality (opportunity lost). Now as Poland searches for its new identity in Europe I can only foresee a atmosphere of disagreement in Polish politics, as they try to identify their future path, nothing comes easy in Poland and personally I am not prepared to sit around for the next X years while the debate plays out. Poles are their own worst enemies and history has proven this to be fact, there are too many opportunities out there in the world, to get caught in the domestic crossfire here in PL.

Now Wedle these comments may not go down well with a lot of people, I can understand where you are coming.

Firstly Poland is a good place to retire in as prices for food/travel and real estate is pretty cheap. the weather is probably too cold for most to handle, the people are good and its pretty safe. The negatives is the Polish mentality especially when it comes to business and business practice, money money seems to be on the minds of most poles.

The red tape and lack of accountability in government departments is something unacceptable, (I'm still waiting for 15 months for a building permit) excuses and excuses) now secondly Wedle this may upset you but you bought up at a time where everything was bargain basement, now that this has changed you cry poor, you need to take the good with the bad and put back into Poland what you have reaped. Apart from the multi national companies in Poland who seem to be doing well, you wonder how well small business is doing, taking into account the amount of restaurants that come and go!

No bad thing - at least it keeps people honest. If you threaten their bottom line, people tend to jump.


Much of this is due to people opening up without sufficient capital behind them.


I'm sure he's put back plenty in his time.


And yet on Saturday, Galeria Korona and Pasaz Grunwaldski were absolutely rammed in Wroclaw. I mean - rammed to the point of it taking 20 minutes to exit the car park rammed.

When you retire, you choose a country that has a good infrastructure, especially hospitals and health service. Although Poland is cheap and real estate is still affordable to many, it still does not offer the quality of life you consider normal in many other countries.


I personally do not have a problem with Poland's greed mentality in every day business, I can sort the wheat from the chaff in daily life here.


I hear you.


I am not crying poor, I have decided it is time for change. Furthermore if someone has the foresight to plan ahead, this should be considered a quality and not frowned upon.


I invested into Poland,created jobs and paid taxes, now it is time to look at pastures greener.


A lot of the multi's invested in PL with one eye on the east, there will be some restructuring going on in 2012/2013.

The quality of life is excellent if you have the money, a lot of our foreign friends living in Poland would be living like paupers if they remain in there own country. Hospital and Health services for the rich is not a problem, One thing is lacking in Poland is organisations who would get things moving in Poland, ie a group of real estate agents who would put pressure on the government to change all the red tape associated with real estate transactions. People like you should be involved in politics especially local government, there is a real need to change all the bureaucracy, Poland needs to adopt a more self regulated system. The days of making a quick buck is well and truly over, you now have to work for it, Poland is still a good place to give it a go.

Agreed, there is also limited choice, the theater is good for what you get.


Maybe not paupers, certainly not to the same standard they have here though.


It is not a problem for standard procedures, if you need a specialist, most go overseas.


Yes a Polish solution for Poland, there are plenty of young Polish real estate professionals out there who are more than capable of changing the future. It is only a matter of time before the Polish " Young Turks" take over, this is not Russia.


Agreed.


There is still opportunity if you look hard, although there will be better opportunity in other European countries over the coming short -medium term