How many Jewish people live in Poland?

And what's the point?Even if I learned today that some of my ancestors were Jewish (sometimes I think I may be a bit Jew because of some of my character traits and me and my brother both have super Jewish first names) do you think I am going to put this funny cap on my head and grow pejsy?Hell no!Screw Jews,I am Polish and I am cool with that.

for real?!


spieprzajdziadu.com/muzeum/index.php?title=Internetowa_lista_%C5%BByd%C3%B3w

So, those people in the list in the linked page above are Jews? even more, Masonic Jews? There are Kacynzski brothers there. Real?

how legitimate is this?

Sobieski speaks closest to the truth.

Not quite.

The average Polish attitude to Jews is neutral. On both extremes are fanatic anti-Semites (Sokrates) and Jew-lovers (me). The problem is that whenever antisemites utter their mad hatred, it reverbarates in media all over Europe and the world as an example of "typical" Polish anitsemitism.

Well put but there's a flip side to this as well that a Jew and a Jew-lovers alike completely ignore and in a way making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. When your typical hate filled Jew or his supporter spreads his nonsense through a let's say half truthful if not outright deceitful article or post it usually reinforces this negative stereotype of Poles that had been propagated, nurtured and conditioned in the west, especially in your average American Joe. That's being felt by more and more of the younger generation by being exposed to it through travel. Instead of honestly debating the topic of interest to you, you bring it down to what amounts to be nothing more than a few slogans reinforcing this negative image of us. Most of the Jewish posters here are hatemonger themselves, skillfully manipulating and stirring **** up. While this sort of behavior could have been tolerated by the likes of you and ignored by the rest as not so many Poles were exposed to it by a simple isolation in a sense of travel restriction as well as language barrier, that's not the case anymore.

This leads to resentment and that neutrality you speak of will soon be a part of the past if it's not already. Perhaps someday when even your average westerner has a better grasp on the topic at hand it might even backfire on them on that front too. There's definitely a room for an honest debate but wherever I look all I see is slander and outright attack on us Poles by the Jewish community and if you think that's getting unnoticed or ignored by most of the younger generation than keep living in that bubble of yours and keep deluding yourself. Open your eyes, this forum is a microcosm of a much wider world that exist out there and to be perfectly honest, all I see is a fight for converts to the Jewish cause whatever that might be in a rather nasty way which leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and in turn it is virtually impossible to ignore or stay indifferent to.

Where are the Jewish posters here?


Slander and outright attack?

Care to provide evidence of this? Internet doesn't count - any idiot can write anything on there, including people who are merely trolling Poles.

Wow, how many Jewish posters do you know here? :):):):)

I know only one poster who has Jerusalem in his profile. And he is quite reasonable.


If that is all what you see, you must definitely go to an eye doctor. :):):):)

Contrary to you, I don`t have a problem with my eyes. :):):)

I didn`t see it "wherever" when I was in America 20 years ago.

Because I live in Poland and have no contact with Jews, I must rely on the written word. Yes, there are Jewish publications in which Poles are wronged but there are also fair ones.


The world of guys like Sokrates? :):):):)

Yehudi, Midas and Rogalski spring to mind. They come across as fair and present reasoned arguments. They don't strike me as being defensive and often know their stuff.

I count one, same as you...where are the rest of them? Are there any in Poland? I'd love to meet a Jewish Pole - reveal yourselves!


As far as I can tell, the only publications where Poles are "wronged" are the same ones which would "wrong" Jewish people in Poland.


The internet generation - paranoid to the bone ;)

Perhaps if they got out once in a while, they'd see that there aren't Jews on every street corner.

Hmm, not only. :):):):)
I have just read Gutman`s Resistance, quite famous, and was a bit disappointed with his undercover anti-Polish stance. I will elaborate on it in a seperate thread after I reread the book and prepare quotes.


Isn`t Midas Turkish?


Isn`t Rogalski from PiS?


Ask Ironside.

Nope, they are Jewish PF posters who come across as fair.

He's Irish if I recall correctly. Not Jewish at all.

Um, I know for a fact that poster is Jewish. There is no debate as we PM'd each other a few times.

Hardly.

Jewish here.

Mephias is Turkish. Midas has just told you he is Jewish.

ShortHairThug,

Here in the US, most of the anti-Polish propaganda has come from old Lefty-media Jews. However Conservative Jewish Americans tend to be more fair minded about Polish people.

Lefty Jews are basically still fighting WWII and deep down, Lefty Jews are paranoid and see virtually all White Christians as being their enemy especially Polish people.

Conservative Jewish Americans think this way of thinking is insane and are more realistic about threats against Jews. They don't see Poles or any European nation as their enemy and are more rightly focused on the anti-semitic lunatics in the Mid-East talking about whiping Israel off of the face of the earth.

Which anti-Semitic, MW? Ahmedinehad? For a start, he didn't say anything about wiping Israel off the map. Secondly, he is anti-Zionist, not anti-Judaism.

What I liked about your post was showing the different kinds of Jews rather than tarring them all with the same brush.

Really?

Murdoch : Jewish. Fox News : Conservative.

"Polish Death Camp", you say?

And let's not forget that Fox broadcast a line alleging Poles to have collaborated with Nazis.

Your "Conservative Jewish" aren't so squeaky clean, are they?

Merged: How many Jews in Poland?

Out of a population of 38 million, it is estimated that 20,000 Polish citizens are Jewish.

Wikipedia on national minorities in Poland states:
The first figure given (7508) is the total, the 2nd (2488)- Jewish as first identificaiton inlcuding the only one, Jewish as only identification (1636), Jewish, as second identification (5020) and both Polish and Jewish identifcation (5355).

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mniejszo%C5%9Bci_narodowe_i_etniczne_w_Polsce

The difference bwteen 7500 and 20,000 is quite considerable. Over the years the figure of 50,000 has bounced around, but I'm not sure what certeria were used. Jewish criteria are clear and straightforward: anyone borne by a Jewish mother is Jewish!

Some people learnt they were Jewish only after 1989. Some Jewish parents supposedly have stiłl not told their children.

So...what is your "afterthought" behind this posting?
In Belgium live 42.000 Jews on a population of about 11 million. So what?

Since I've heard no substantive reply from you on the obvious nuermical discrepancy pointed out in the post, I can only sit back and eagery await your as always 'enlightened' explanation.

Does the Belgian press claim there are 120,000? That was the point -- the discrepancy.

BTW (different subject) To what extent are Dutch, Flemish and Afrikaans mutually intelligible. Can you tell a Dutchman and Afrikaner by their speech?

But smaller than the difference between the official number of Vietnamese (4,027 according to your link) and the widely accepted estimate of 30,000 to 50,000: rp.pl/artykul/2,223266.html

Apparently the official figures may be less than completely reliable.

In Belgium this is not even a point.


Afrikaans is basically a different language, developed from 18th century Dutch spoken by the Dutch settlers on the Cape, and has evolved separately. I understand it, but not 100% and have to concentrate to do so. Dutch is the official name for the language spoken by the Dutch and the Flemish, and teached in school and used in daily life.. Flemish is a common name for the numerous dialects spoken in Flanders. Almost every village here has its own dialectic variant of Dutch. In some Flemish or Dutch areas in the East speak a form of Dutch which I hardly understand. Local patriotism is very strong where I come from (to a village / town level) and your local dialect is an explicit expression of that.