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Agnieszka holland compares life in Poland to 'sniffing farts':


OP szczecinianin  4 | 317  
30 Dec 2013 /  #31
No, szczecinianin, she said pretty precisely what she meant, while "sniffing farts" is smelling some unpleasant odor and that's it.

And what she said involves smelling some unpleasant odor as well. The two statements mean the same.

You are merely attempting to find a way to criticise me (a foreigner) without criticising a famous film director (Polish), even though all I did was to summarise what she said.
Paulina  16 | 4403  
30 Dec 2013 /  #32
And what she said involves smelling some unpleasant odor as well. The two statements mean the same.

No, they don't.
If you wanted to convey what she said then you'd write sth in the lines of: "Life in Poland can be suffocating". Or more accurately: "Poland can be suffocating" since she doesn't live in Poland.

But in order to do that you would have to listen/read and understand what she was saying and convey it in the title. What you conveyed in your title was "Life in Poland smells" lol That's not what she meant.

So, yeah, I guess a journalist of "Daily Fail" or "Fakt" would write sth in the lines of "Agnieszka Holland compares life in Poland to 'sniffing farts'", but a good journalist who understands what he's listening to or what he's reading would title it the way I did.

May that be a lesson for you, young padawan lol ;)

You are merely attempting to find a way to criticise me (a foreigner) without criticising a famous film director (Polish), even though all I did was to summarise what she said.

Nope. I mean what I write.
ShawnH  8 | 1488  
30 Dec 2013 /  #33
Why offensive? Ask around. Millions of Poles feel the same as I do about 3 Kings. It's an neo-con-inspired waste of our time and right to carry out our business

And it would seem that millions of Poles agree with it.

Epiphany was the only religious public holiday that had not been restored since Poland regained its independence in 1991, and had been the source of many petitions to have the public holiday restored (19-Apr-2009, 27-Jun-2008, 22-Sep-2008, and 17-Oct-2008).

qppstudio.net/public-holidays-news/2010/poland_003882.htm

It seems that the people have spoken. In time, it may of course be challenged.
rozumiemnic  8 | 3866  
30 Dec 2013 /  #34
well i dont know why people are moaning about one extra public holiday, although the timing of it does sound a bit annoying.
surely if you are a small business person it is completely up to you what days you do and do not work.
there is no need to be rude about the religion of the country in which you reside.
OP szczecinianin  4 | 317  
30 Dec 2013 /  #35
What you conveyed in your title was "Life in Poland smells" lol That's not what she meant.

It means the same. You are not interested in what was said, only who said it. You are merely proving yourself yet again incapable of objectivity, even with regards to some quite simple and easily understood words about the expulsion of air from the anus.
milky  13 | 1656  
30 Dec 2013 /  #36
You or your parents left Poland instead of fighting for our freedom from communism like rats from the sinking ship .

This is the fart smell she is talking about.

Polish Patriot, as far as I see, you are the one disgracing Poland with your inane comments.

very true. She is breath of fresh air.
She'll have the Nazi flash mobs barking and farting at her now. Probably another reason for remaining abroad.
Paulina  16 | 4403  
30 Dec 2013 /  #37
It means the same. You are not interested in what was said, only who said it. You are merely proving yourself yet again incapable of objectivity, even with regards to some quite simple and easily understood words about the expulsion of air from the anus.

LOL
I see you haven't understood a word of what I was writing :)
Well, szczecinianin, thanks for showing us why not everyone can be a good journalist in a quality newspaper.
Please, constrict yourself to writing/editing that blog... lol
*sigh*
OP szczecinianin  4 | 317  
30 Dec 2013 /  #38
I see you haven't understood a word of what I was writing :)

Writing a great deal will not make what you have written true.

You are plain wrong, and writing personal abuse will not change this fact.

You said something about trying to improve Poland. Perhaps this will happen when people start listening to the message without shooting the messenger. I'm sure you are not excluded from Agnieszka Holland's perceptions of her homeland.
Paulina  16 | 4403  
30 Dec 2013 /  #39
No, I'm not wrong, szczecinianin. You just don't understand what I'm writing or you pretend not to understand.

Perhaps this will happen when people start listening to the message without shooting the messenger.

Oh, I'm not shooting the messenger. There's nothing new in what Holland is saying, other people before her had such complaints too, there's no revelation there, she's not discovering America.

And if you haven't noticed - I was even defending her.

I'm sure you are not excluded from Agnieszka Holland's perceptions of her homeland.

:)
Holland, when asked who's making Poland so suffocating, said: "We're making it this way."
So, yeah, that's pretty general :))
Dougpol1  
30 Dec 2013 /  #40
It seems that the people have spoken. In time, it may of course be challenged.

And good luck to them. They are the Poles who would rather sit on their arses while the rest of us have to pick up the bill. A national disgrace.
Paulina  16 | 4403  
30 Dec 2013 /  #41
Btw, is this true that Epiphany is free from work in Germany, Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Sweden and Finland?
Polish Patriot  
30 Dec 2013 /  #42
Holland was not the one who was preying on Polish culture . The last well veiled example was the appointment of an Israeli woman as a Polish representative at 54 Venice art festival .

Thanks to Zdrojewski and Rottemund - Yael Bartana was nominated to represent the Polish culture in the 54 International Biennial of Contemporary Art in Venice, you probably would not know that but only under the pressure of public opinion it was widely publicised .

This was some brazen and scandalouas act to do so , when there are so many young artists who can`t break through " the wall " .

On the other hand soon Polish students will not know about their own history and culture . Ministry removed from the compulsory school reading lists, among others, "Mr Tadeusz" of Adam Mickiewicz and "Trilogy"of Henryk Sienkiewicz .

In addition to the national epic canon of required books there is no "Wallenrod" by Adam Mickiewicz. Polish language and literature teachers of secondary schools are sounding the alarm: for several years, young people do not even associate with what masterpiece comes from a quote "Lithuania! My homeland."

Instead there is Gombrowicz`s Ferdydurke ( a Jewish writer ) a complusory book on the list !!!!
A novel without any impact on anything written by a man known for his gay revelry life . Now it turns out that the writer also had his dark and shameful page, known only by few, tolerated by his wife .What a moral rottenness !. "Kronos" in his memories , Gombrowicz was not afraid to explore very embarrassing topics like his homosexual relationships, betrayals and numerous relationships in spite of living as a married man .

By some new list of school books is recomended instead :
/bzow.blox.pl/2013/09/NOWA-LISTA-LEKTUR-OBOWIAZKOWYCH-2013
ShawnH  8 | 1488  
30 Dec 2013 /  #43
A national disgrace

Depends on your perspective. Decades ago, it was prophesised that in the future we would all work less and have an abundance of leisure time. Maybe Poland is the enlightened one??

Technically, only the UK has more Paid Entitlement Days than Poland
mercer.com/press-releases/holiday-entitlements-around-the-world

But if you read the fine print UK employers get around this by making several paid entitlement holidays deductible from other vacation days....

Maybe it is a little over the top in PL....
OP szczecinianin  4 | 317  
30 Dec 2013 /  #44
No, I'm not wrong, szczecinianin. You just don't understand what I'm writing or you pretend not to understand.

I understand perfectly what she said. You could too, if you really wanted to.

As I wrote, what interests you is not what either she or I wrote, but rather the respective identities of the writers, and you have chosen to misinterpret the words in a crass attempt at point scoring.
Dougpol1  
30 Dec 2013 /  #45
It seems that the people have spoken. In time, it may of course be challenged.

And good luck to them. They are the Poles who would rather sit on their arses while the rest of us have to pick up the bill. A national disgrace.
Paulina  16 | 4403  
30 Dec 2013 /  #46
Technically, only the UK has more Paid Entitlement Days than Poland.

How do they count this? I've counted there are 13 public holidays in Poland and 16 in Germany o_O

I understand perfectly what she said. You could, if you too if you really wanted to.

I wrote that you don't understand what I wrote.
And if you understood what she said then why this coarse, stupid, scandalizing title?
(I do understand what she said, szczecinianin, I'm Polish, I live here and I'm a native speaker of Polish).

As I wrote, what interests you is not what either she or I wrote, but rather the respective identities of the writers

You have no idea what interests me and you have no idea about my intentions, as usual :)
legend  3 | 658  
30 Dec 2013 /  #47
Polish Patriot, as far as I see, you are the one disgracing Poland with your inane comments.

No actually he or she is right.
peterweg  37 | 2305  
30 Dec 2013 /  #48
A shame that there are restrictions on doing business though. It hurts people doing crap jobs in the service industries and retail.

Public holidays are compulsory, if they weren't they scumbag employers would force workers to work. wouldn't fit the definition of a public holiday then would it?

Angry - you bet.

Incredibly stupid, more like.

You CHOOSE to come to a country that is very religious and wont to put religion first.
ShawnH  8 | 1488  
30 Dec 2013 /  #49
How do they count this? I've counted there are 13 public holidays in Poland and 16 in Germany o_O

Excluding days that fall on a Saturday or Sunday??
OP szczecinianin  4 | 317  
30 Dec 2013 /  #50
I wrote that you don't understand what I wrote.

She used the word 'fart'. It wasn't something I invented out of my imagination. What more is there to say on the subject?

And if you understood what she said then why this coarse, stupid, scandalizing title?

Because what she said was 'coarse'. If you don't like what Agnieszka Holland says, then have a go at her, not me.

It was her metaphor, not mine.
Kevin123  - | 7  
30 Dec 2013 /  #51
Btw, is this true that Epiphany is free from work in Germany

Only in some lander with Catholic majorities.
Polish Patriot  
30 Dec 2013 /  #52
Polish Patriot, I think you're exaggerating and demonizing her. While I did have some "wtf moments" during watching "To Kill a Priest", I've also seen "Europa, Europa".

Try to watch her movies from a different angle , so you will discover her disstorted and camouflaged view about us - Poles . Why did she use one Polish character of a small boy to stigmatize the whole nation of some anty Semitism , which existed throughout the whole Europe and was way much greater in Germany , Great Britain or France . In Britain there were notes on fences of the houses with flats for rent - "Jews and dogs are not allowed" . If it was in Poland we would be condemned till the end of the world .

Why didn`t she direct a movie about Warsaw 1944 uprising ? That would be very informative subject for the Hollywood downfall society that in just few days thousands of Polish citizens of Warsaw district of Wola ( some say 50 000 , some 70 000 ) were killed by the Germans as a revange and women were tied to the tanks as living shields- which was the reason of their infamous and short lived victory over insurgents .

Thats why I am patriotic and I will repeat these facts again and again . These days Germans are fed with lies about our Home Army ( our sons our mothers ..... something like that ) and BBC promotes such lies by buying copies of that crap to run it in their channel .

.
peterweg  37 | 2305  
30 Dec 2013 /  #53
"Jews and dogs are not allowed" .

Thats a total lie.

It was "Blacks, Irish and dogs not allowed" .

Trying to make Poles look better by claims some other group were worse is a lousy and losing argument.
rozumiemnic  8 | 3866  
30 Dec 2013 /  #54
" In Britain there were notes on fences of the houses with flats for rent - "Jews and dogs are not allowed" .

really were there? that is strange - for years we were told it was 'no Blacks no Irish no dogs' - wish people would make their minds up!
milky  13 | 1656  
30 Dec 2013 /  #55
Instead there is Gombrowicz`s Ferdydurke ( a Jewish writer ) a complusory book on the list !!!!

This book is a masterpiece of post-modernism. Reminds me of kafka or Flan O Brien. I like that term he uses in the book "an athletic lack of knowledge" reminds me of a farter on this thread.
Polish Patriot  
30 Dec 2013 /  #56
Trying to make Poles look better by claims some other group were worse is a lousy and losing argument.

Are you an adult ? To me you sound like a child .

Of course we , Poles look better and are wrongfully accussed of anti Sem ......by Jewish .

What were you doing on history lessons , you ended up as such an ignorant ?

before you answer , better study the subject .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Canada

One of the best-known anti-Semites in show business was Arthur Godfrey, the host of radio's most important amateur talent contest. Godfrey owned the Kenilworth Hotel in Florida, which supposedly had a sign in front that read NO DOGS OR JEWS ALLOWED. But when I got the opportunity to appear on Talent Scouts, I leaped at it. I didn't care that Godfrey wouldn't let me in his hotel as long as he let me sing on his radio show.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Godfrey

huffingtonpost.ca/bernie-farber/human-rights-canada_b_1510399.

I said Britain , I forgot about Canada and USA . Sorry about that . My fault .
Harry  
30 Dec 2013 /  #57
You were lying about the UK, monia, not telling the truth about the USA.
rozumiemnic  8 | 3866  
30 Dec 2013 /  #58
yes monia you were making stuff up about Britain.#
"What were you doing on history lessons , you ended up as such an ignorant ?"
lol
McDouche  6 | 282  
31 Dec 2013 /  #59
In interviews given by her still you can encounter the negative generalizations about the Poles as a nation that is supposedly immature , anti-Semitic and xenophobic , etc .

Well...she does have a point. Compared to western Europe, Poland is rather anti-Semitic, xenophobic, and just...weird. It's like it culturally doesn't belong in the EU.

Always amusing to see a self-declared Pole complaining about people saying that some Poles are immature , anti-Semitic and xenophobic while himself being immature , anti-Semitic and xenophobic.

Hahaha I know, right?

You said on one of your comments - When I was at school in the US there were a few PolAM guys in class who were good but the top positions were either ChineseAms, IndianAms or Russian (mostly Jewish).

So what? That's the truth. I grew up in the United States and I can definitely confirm that Russian Jewish-Americans, Chinese-Americans, and Indian-Americans perform much better academically than most Poles or Polish-Americans.
Polish Patriot  
31 Dec 2013 /  #60
Haha , you are so funny , don`t you think ???? You live in a country full of bigots. You live in a Hypocrite`s United Kingdom , full of lies and slanders. First, your enemies were Jews, Poles - are today and tomorrow -Romanians and Bulgarians will be . I feel sorry for your pathetic nation .

The Daily Mail has a long past association with anti-Semitism and pro-Nazi leanings. Its co-founder, and owner in the 1930s, Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere, great-grandfather of the newspaper's current proprietor, Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere, was notoriously a supporter of the British Union of Fascists for a time, and even wrote a front-page article "Hurrah for the Blackshirts," which appeared in the Daily Mail in 1934.


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