Poland A, Poland B

sheesh he is a commie no doubt about it as for being a good man I doubt it very much.

What you mean is how deep a cultural marxism is rooted in society? No so much. According to poles made by the most left-leaning agency IPSOS for OKO press barely 50% of Poles would accept gay partnership. According to same studies 38% would support gay "marriage" with 57% strongly opposing it.

So in reality those numbers are much lower, since IPSOS is very "progressive" and barely right on anything yet.

tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/sondaz-ipsos-wiekszosc-polakow-popiera-zwiazki-partnerskie,752514.html

And feminism is non existent in Poland, and those few feminists like Kazimiera Szczuka, Magdalena Sroda or Manuela Gretkowska are just a laughing stock and don't have support of any significant number of women.

No, he's certainly capitalist and was jailed for opposing the ideology of the Communist government.


There's actually rather a lot, fortunately.

Obviously takes after his brother - a former Stalinist judge who sentenced to death dozens of Polish patriots who fought to liberate Poland from the communists in the fifties.

Also his father was the secretary of the Communist Party in Galicia.

His anti-Communist 'credentials' don't stand up very well.

If feminism was about women fighting for equal rights it's a non-issue it Poland where women are very strong (and continue to remain feminine).... unlike in western Europe where 'feminists' seem to be more associated with LGBT issues.

That's all it is at heart. In Poland there's still a long way to go (PiS are seriously suggesting that men beating their wives for the first time should be a civil law matter - we can expect huge protests about this).


That's simply untrue.

So, if you care so much about Michnik, where do you stand on the issue of Stanisław Piotrowicz, ex-PZPR (and so PZPR to the point where he was awarded for his services to the PRL during martial law!) and prosecutor of dissidents during Communism? I suppose he's your hero, right?

His claims that he was a dissident in disguise are hilarious, especially when those in the dissident movement at the time said he was no such thing (there were prosecutors who did what they could to not make life miserable for dissidents and he was not one of them...)

@Spike31

Pretty much. Poland is one of the most socially conservative countries in Europe no matter how much a few leftists here try to spin things. Regardless of a person's politics, the facts and stats don't lie - 3/4 of Poles don't want migrants from Africa or middle east, majority don't support gay marriage, and vast majority identify as roman catholic. Hell half of Poles don't even want Ukrainians let alone people from places like Afghanistan or Morocco. We're keenly aware of the problems that bringing in hordes of these people in because so many Poles worked and traveled abroad. Poles are also very patriotic and nationalism is popular due to the history of the country and tradition of Poles resisting and fighting invaders even against all odds. Poles young and old aren't going to allow their country to become some multi kulti cultural Marxist society like Germany and have nonstop terror attacks and thousands upon thousands of rapes at the hands of third world migrants. Poles aren't interested in that or being PC.

They are! He was one of the worst examples of a communist opportunist - the PRL ended and he suddenly discovered religion, even down to that now-infamous picture of him clutching a rosary.


Yet they turn a blind eye to over 3000 people being killed at the hands of Polish drivers yearly. There's no logic to it.

I have never heard of him and have no views. Why would he be a hero of mine?

You've never heard of the Chairman of the Justice Committee in the Sejm, Stanisław Piotrowicz?

Perhaps you prefer ex-SB/Interior Ministry boss in Plock, Wojciech Jasiński? He was placed in charge of Orlen, one of the biggest Polish companies. Is he Communist enough for you?

Nah, that he is not. Once he was exposed to the market his firm hit a hard rock bottom. He is not bankrupt yet thanks to Soros money. He was in jail for some internal commie squabble, he is not the first commie that was put to jail by other commies...... you know nothing jon357.

You're contradicting yourself in that statement.


Rubbish. He was interned with all the other dissidents. Certain people of course were Nonenklatura and above the law. Like so many PuS supporters.

Certain people were also released from internment much earlier than others due to the connections of their parents. Others were such a non-factor that they weren't even interned.

The government isn't doing enough to improve the situation in Eastern Poland, i.e. Ełk, Białystok, Lublin. Maybe only Rzeszów is showing some growth.

I'm not a fact that he has been involved in some money operation doesn't make him a capitalist. He was never interested in that much, he was into having an influence in politicks. He has been fine till he has been supported by the state/ his newspaper has been supported to be sure - if you don't know about it either or pretend not to know - I'm not gonna explain.


I say tomato ....
Believe what you want. You Can lead a horse to water ...

For others - internal commie squabbles - a previous commie ruler in Poland Gomulka has been in the commie prison too before he became a commie boss in Soviet Poland.

I'm not aware of his Communist credentials.....

Has he done as much harm to Poland as Donald Tusk?

You're not aware of the fact that PiS put an ex-SB boss in charge of one of the largest Polish companies? Well no, I imagine that you wouldn't read about his credentials in the government media.

Perhaps you prefer some material about the Communist father of the Minister of Justice, from a pro-government source?

niezalezna.pl/46088-ujawniamy-dokumenty-ziobro-byl-czlonkiem-pzpr

Is Orlen a state run company? I thought it was private. If so what has it got to do with PiS?

I'm pleased to see Orlen sponsoring Williams in the coming year's F1 Championship.

I take it you will be cheering against them because of their alleged PiS connections...

Orlen was privatized about 2 decades ago and is a publicly traded company. Its privatisation was one of the biggest scandals in Poland aka orlengate. Naturally it was the German boot licking Polish leftists that were implicated

51 percent government owned, which was holding it back. I used to work at the Katowice office and was party to all the goings-on, SLD style. Are you trying to suggest that the government no longer "interferes" in its business?

Time was (in the failed PiS/Samoobrona/LPR) era that their board of directors was like a carousel. People hopping on and being pushed off more or less constantly.

Lotos has been through 4 CEOs since PiS took over. Similar story at PGNiG.

Yeah - it was of course Lotos that I was referring to in :52, not Orlen:) My bad.

Of course they do. Most the wig30 companies are controlled by government directly or indirectly.

I should've have been more specific - it was partially privatized.

Constant rotation of top execs at these large Polish firms is nothing new esp since eu accession. Its not just under pis it was the same thing under po. Personally idk why they do this. Oftentimes it's better to keep a bad ceo and limit their power by not allowing them to have chairmanship and other means instead of constantly rotating them. Quite frankly it's just bad business practice.

Yes. The state has the majority of votes at shareholder meetings, hence it's state controlled.

The current CEO was previously a mayor of a small town, and has no qualifications or experience in running a large company.

And that is why Poland is still in such a mess in terms of infrastructure. Why would western European investors want to go all in , when the government insists on a controlling share? That's not a working full market economy.

Yup, that's the big problem. When Western investors do take control, they find that the government is doing everything against them.

They got a rather nasty shock when the American ambassador told them bluntly that she wasn't going to tolerate any nonsense from them towards American companies.

It is something new - before PiS the Ceo of Lotos had been in post for a long time and on the board for 15 years.

The current guy is a 37 year old middle manager from Deutsche Bank. Many of the people coming in are way too inexperienced.