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Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #241
To say a person of colour is not really French (or British or German) is pure ignorance!

In Germany we have that problem that our society never really knew a distinction between being of german ethnicity and citizen of Germany.
But times have changed!

Saying a colored human is German as in "of german ethnicity" is wrong, but it is of course possible for him to become a citizen of Germany, the state.

If a person is born and raised in a country he is a product of that country.

NOT if they are raised in a "parallel society", living only in their ghettos, speaking only
their language between each other...having barely contact with the "outside" - the host country around them.
In Germany we have those...

Maybe fourth generation german Turks are just sick of not being accepted as Germans?

Okay....now we have this situation:

1.) Many Germans are never going to accept these foreigners - regardless the long and heavy pressure of multikulti politicians and media!

2.) Many foreigners are unwilling to assimilate and to integrate even in the third generation born and raised in Germany

So...what do you advise???
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #242
In Germany we have that problem that our society never knew really a distinction between being of german ethnicity and citizen of Germany.

ahem...
so what the whole Übermensch thing was about?
osiol  55 | 3921  
3 May 2008 /  #243
You have to get past the Überesel first.

Is that the correct terminology?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #244
Why??? I like Überesel...Überesel rock!
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #245
???

I thought Germans were working hard to define what German meant. Heck, they even measured sizes of noses and ear lobes at one time.
BubbaWoo  33 | 3502  
3 May 2008 /  #246
they even measured sizes of noses

which must surely be to prove they are not polish, no?
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
3 May 2008 /  #247

Not everything is so bad. The most basic slimy amateur work on the level of the most woeful surrealistic propaganda of some village home of culture from 1948.

These kinds of miserable unskillful scribbled peasant b/s only reveal all intellectual poverty of the author.

More interesting then everything is that all these fiery supporters of "multiculturalism" and "diversity" cannot see where these processes which they so wish for, lead. And they lead to abolishment of any types of diversity. In submerging humanity in one disfigured mass of people to which it is impossible to ascertain either race, either gender. Turning people into a mass of caricatures the type of Michael Jackson. Zombies without any sense of feeling of belonging, without individuality which manifests itself also through gender, skin color, different beliefs.

All of their "diversity" is derived in one big "melting pot" in which all diversity is merged in one aformic mass, in reality the same singular entities. Physical and intellectual clones. Without any individuality and diversity. Often does this concept remind me of the Borg collective from "Star Trek". Assimilation of different cultures, races and individuals and turning them into workers in the service of some collective. In this case this collective they call humanity.

They forget that this same humanity developed in many directions. Race, culture, nation, religion. And that this diversity contributed that precisely through it's mutual competition, whole humanity develops and advances. Of course that this advancement brought also victims, but what the authors and masters of "diversity" wish to accomplish is turning people into equal and lobotomized consumers, how of their products, so of their ideas. And in that way attain and keep hold of their power over all people. Regardless of race, gender, nation or religion. And that will in its finalization bring decadence, internal rotting and disaster for all, and not only of our race and culture.

At that, neither to themselves, (those wannabe "masters" of the world) race or nation, religion or gender are not important. What is only important to them is power, profit and wealth. We cannot only talk about Jews (even though they are overly represented) but also of others, unfortunately of many Aryans. Those people from the shadows who sit in administration boards of the most powerful, financial, media, industrial corporations, in state and international institutions, (like what NATO is, in which soldiers in reality are only servants of those slimy figures in gray suits) are the real danger. And they are that which is truly disgusting.

And these brainwashed idiots, like the author of this retarded topic are only basic tools. Unconscious slave which in its stupidity only digs its own grave. Unfortunately also for all humanity. And us who still have gray cells in our heads should do as much as we can to at least people from our surroundings open their eyes. However, cleverly and patiently, because many of them already with such marketing are crazed and frightened that every little sharp word enacts in them fear of ultimate evil: "hatred", "racism" and other "isms" and forces them to even deeper retreat in a false sense of security of mass obtuseness.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #248
I thought Germans were working hard to define what German meant. Heck, they even measured sizes of noses and ear lobes at one time.

Erm...you know that the Nazis are gone for 60 years now, do you???
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #249
Yes, they are kinda gone, but that's not the point. The point is that you said our society never knew really a distinction.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #250
The point is that you said our society never knew really a distinction.

And?

We don't even have a word for it to differ between ethnic Germans and non-ethnic Germans/citizens of Germany...what's your problem?

Do you want now everytime you disagree with a german hark back to the Nazis???
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #251
We don't even have a word for it to differ between ethnical Germans and non-ethnic Germans...

so what does the term "richtige Deutsche" mean? That's an honest question.

what's your problem?

No problem at all. I thought it was only Poles who were touchy. Was I wrong?
Just trying to see if one of us has got things not quite right.

Do you want now everytime you disagree hark back to the Nazis???

Nope. Only when it serves to illustrate a point.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #252
so what does the term "richtige Deutsche" mean? That's an honest question.

Good question....
The best answer (for me personally) was something I read in a discussion about this. One poster wrote that WWII was something of a defining time in the history of our people....and having the infamous "Arier-Nachweis" was kind of mandatory.

He concluded that every citizen who can connect to that, whose family took part in this, is definitely a German!
That's only one way to define "Germanness", but for me it works!

Only when it serves to illustrate a point.

Which point in Germany 2008 should the Nazis help to illlustrate???
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #253
Good question....

OK, thanks. That would show that a variety of "never say never" applies here.

Which point in Germany 2008 should the Nazis help to illlustrate???

As above.
z_darius  14 | 3960  
3 May 2008 /  #255
Never mind. I just picked on some of your statements. Attention to detail, you know ;)
Thanks for the explanation of the "richtige Deutsche".
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #256
Thanks for the explanation of the "richtige Deutsche".

As I said...that's one of several.
Others might see it different...
espana  17 | 947  
3 May 2008 /  #257
So do you think we should not allow these super players to play for France because of their skin color or names ? I don't think so :)

florent malouda born in "cayenne" (10 klm from paris)
patrick vieira born in "dakar senegal " (20 klm from paris)
Claude Makelele " zaire " (30 klm from paris)
Lilian Thuram guadeloupe (next to marselle)
this one are a few examples i think you have a few more

then you have the "other ones" people like zidan (the argelians are more proud of him than the french) ,Hatem Ben Arfa (nice french name) and a few more

i dont mind the skin or the names , what i do care is; do you think it is fair if leo messi play for spain just because argentina was spanish before?

fance is doing that all the time
lesser  4 | 1311  
3 May 2008 /  #258
French sport authorities are well know from such practices, they search for young promising athletes in third world countries and offer them citizenship. This is much more than football. Natural immigrants could hardly almost completely vanish white French from football team.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #259
It really looks odd if for a central european team nearly only non-whites play...
How is that fair and equal to the native whites???
French or non-french...
DoubleClick  - | 3  
3 May 2008 /  #260
What is the opinion of majority of french people regarding black players? anyone?
Polson  5 | 1767  
3 May 2008 /  #261
do you think it is fair if leo messi play for spain just because argentina was spanish before?

florent malouda born in "cayenne" (10 klm from paris)

Lilian Thuram guadeloupe (next to marselle)

Cayenne is in Guyane which IS a French territory.
Guadeloupe, yeah, as i told you, French Antilles, still France.

As for Makelele, his dad was a professional football player and they moved to France (France didn't "recruit" him...). Viera left Senegal at the age of 8.

zidan (the argelians are more proud of him than the french)

I think you meant "Algerians"... You find it weird, seriously ?... Do you know another big star coming from Algeria ?.. Zidane was one of the best player in the world, of course they, the Algerians, were proud of him. And in case you didn't know, Zidane was among the most "beloved" French during a few years... see, we were proud of him too. But i don't really see your point here. Deco (Barça) is Brazilian and currently playing for Portugal. Marcos Senna is currently playing for your country, but isn't he Brazilian ?...

Hatem Ben Arfa (nice french name)

We have a big North Africa minority, yeah, and he's French, yeah.

Have you ever seen the Netherlands' U19 team ? They have many black players. What about Davids, Kluivert, Seedorf, van Bronckhorst and the youngs Emanuelson, Melchiot, Heitinga, de Jong, , Babel, Vermeer, Zuiverloon, Sno, Drenthe, etc. Most of them are from the Dutch Antilles, like most of the French Blacks are from the French Antilles.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #262
Have you ever seen the Netherlands' U19 team ? They have many black players. What about Davids, Kluivert, Seedorf, van Bronckhorst and the youngs Emanuelson, Melchiot, Heitinga, de Jong, , Babel, Vermeer, Zuiverloon, Sno, Drenthe, etc....

I agree...that looks odd too...

Hehe...Many Poles claim Klose and Podolski! Should that mean Poland was a colony??? :)
Polson  5 | 1767  
3 May 2008 /  #263
It really looks odd if for a central european team nearly only non-whites play...
How is that fair and equal to the native whites???

Do you think black players have more chances to join the national team ?... I don't think so :) They are very good, that's enough.

good luck this euro 2008

Thanks, good luck to Spain :)

What is the opinion of majority of french people regarding black players? anyone?

There are people joking about it, others who don't care about where the players are from, and racists who would like a "quota", 1 black, 2 whites, for example, how stupid and narrow minded...

I agree...that looks odd too...

Dunno if it's odd...they are excellent players though :))
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #264
There are people joking about it, others who don't care about where the players are from, and racists who would like a "quota", 1 black, 2 whites, for example, how stupid and narrow minded...

Why narrow minded???
Why is it okay for blacks to have quotas to help them to develop and to be serious about equality but not for whites???
Do you really think it okay if a predominantly white country has barely white players in their national team??? Nothing wrong with that??? Where are they all? Did the native french lost their skill or their interest suddenly???
Polson  5 | 1767  
3 May 2008 /  #265
Hehe...Many Poles claim Klose and Podolski! Should that mean Poland was a colony???

Miss Poland 2000 name was Justyna Bergmann... does that mean Germany was a Polish colony ??? ;)))

Do you really think it okay if a predominantly white country has barely white players in their national team??? Nothing wrong with that???

Nope. Do you think we choose our national players depending on their skin color or names ?... The idea of a quota is totally stupid, i'm sorry. If these black players are better than their white fellows, why should we choose the white players ?... Because they are white ? Now that's what we commonly call racism :)

Did the native french lost their skill or their interest suddenly

Zidane is as native as Coupet. Both were born and raised in the same country, they speak the same language, went to school, have been living in the same culture.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #266
Miss Poland 2000 name was Justyna Bergmann... does that mean Germany was a Polish colony ??? ;)))

:):):) Touchè!

The idea of a quota is totally stupid, i'm sorry.

Why???
Why is it okay for blacks to have quotas??? That is the meaning of quotas...getting a chance even when you are still lacking!
Why is that seen as a good thing for them but not for whites when they obviously need to be supported too in certain areas...who is the racist here?

PS: Doesn't France even have a quota for french songs played in the radio???
Polson  5 | 1767  
3 May 2008 /  #267
Touchè

Touché, hey French word ^^ And guess what ? Written in black (again..) ;P

Why is it okay for blacks to have quotas???

There are no quotas for Blacks in football... Then it's fair. If a white player is good enough to join the national team, he'll join it.

That is the meaning of quotas...getting a chance even if you are still lacking!

Lacking ?... World champion in 1998, European champ in 2000, World vice-champion in 2006, among the favourites for the Euro 08...lacking what ? :)

If our team was bad, i would understand what you say... "we're bad because we prefer to choose black players even if they are not so good, instead of great white players..." But that's not the case, we are among the best in the world, aren't we ? :)

PS: Doesn't France even have a quota for french songs played in the radio???

Never heard of that... but we should...too many US scheisse sounds... ;)))
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11914  
3 May 2008 /  #268
If a white player is good enough to join the national team, he'll join it.

Hmmm....then it would really mean white french lost either their skill...or their interest!
Or whites are generally not good enough??? Hmmm....
Polson  5 | 1767  
3 May 2008 /  #269
Dunno... maybe because many of our black players play in very good European championships (mostly England)... Whites are in our Ligue 1... Then, it's foreign championships fault ^^
espana  17 | 947  
3 May 2008 /  #270
If a white player is good enough to join the national team, he'll join it.

ohhh yes but if you are a good black manager is not good enough
one team of black player and the manager is white (ironic)
why in europe is not to many black managers?

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