Polish people and racism.

Sensational BS produced by a media w*hore. The same could be done in any other country.

right ok greg, yes your right there is racism in other countries and it includes yours i'm affraid. I mean look you always have a picture of a white dog, what about a black one now and again :) It would be a little more PC don't you think:)

I often find that racial attitudes are more a generational than national trait.

My Father says the most racist things but refuses to even accept they ARE racist statements or he is a racist.

I wonder what the average age of the Daily Express or Mail reader is?
You don't see many under 50s reading them.

White dog/black dog whats the simbolic difference? for an avatar. G is a self confessed racist what more proof do you need.

I recall him saying that Black people may experience a "monkey imitation" scenario once in a while in Poland.


Ive seen racial issues published in national papers here in Poland WTF you talking about.

Theyre good for a giggle,Ive been collecting the classic British war movies dvds this last week...Oh boy,those Mail readers must never leave their front doors with all those hordes of dangerous Polish Gypsy Muslims invading this green and pleasant land of maggie ,gawd bless er,thatcher...

I bet you have, Question:

What was the shoulder badge for a soldier of the Royal Artilery, assigned to the third Scotts division?

Shoulder badge would be ROYAL ARTILERY in red on a blue background in a ( turned on its side shape,for 3rd div,give me a few minutes and I'll get back to you....although,off the top of my head the 3rd Div was a standard british army infantry division,not a "highland " division..

edit...
yep,I was right first time,3rd infantry(monty's ironsides) were a British army infantry division,the badge is a black triangle with an inverted red triangle in the center...just found this site if your interested;

unithistories.com/units_british/3InfDiv.html

As far as Im aware there werent any rascists polish or otherwise in it though,who knows :)

I totally made that up, well done!

yeah,got sus because Scots divisions tended to start from number 50 up....
you know Im fun to have around if a war films on right "no,thats just sooo wrong...whats he meant to be wearing...they didnt have that shape hat untill 3 months later ..".:)

I get the message, but I do have a tingling feeling that I must have had said something wrong as we clearly talk about two different Polskas.

I never tried to imply that today's Poland is a multicultural country. My posts were just a response to isthatus claim that Poland never had a multicultural society when in fact not only it had but it made a huge impact on our national identity today, whether some poles are aware of it or not.

So maybe there were no Pakistanis, Indians and Chinese but there were Armenians, Vlachs, Karaites, Tartars, Turks or Jews who were just as exotic and different for Poles from those days as those three nationalities were/are for your people now/few decades ago.

As I mentioned before Poles made only about 50% of the whole population of The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with the rest being all those earlier mentioned nationalities in this and my previous post, which made quite a colorful mosaic. Basically in the ol Republic you could see a catholic church, protestant church, Jewish Synagogue, Karaites Kenese, and Muslim mosque standing in one city without any bigger problems. If you would go to the market you would most likely hear Polish, Ruthenian, German, Greek, Turkish, Persian, Yiddish and what not. Of course just as it is in today's UK, sometimes the communications between the communities were better and sometimes there weren't any, but the truth is that all those cultures influenced each other. Everything started to change after the partitions of the first Rzeczpospolita and now you will see a strange look on some Poles face when he hears that some Belorussians claim Koścuszko and the 3 may constitution to be a part of their history, or when he hears that Lithuanians consider Adam Mickiewicz, polish national poet, to be Lithuanian. Oh well..

U seem to mistake the presence of certain foreigners as representing multi-culturalism. It depends on the scale of their representation.

the white British working class is becoming invisible. what we need is some sort of discrimination that will make them feel included.

What do you propose BW?

lets build a wall and put them behind it. not apartheid as such but some form of segrigation

nah, they just stay indoors and devour ungodly amounts if junk food. In fact they are very much visible

lets set fire to them. they reproduce and reach maturity faster than an average tree and would provide a fantastic renewable fuel source

Think of the inbreeding possibilities. They`ll end up like the kooky royal families of centuries past.

Jozef Pilsudski was also born in todays Lithuania but seems to be considered Polish.
Meyer Lansky's Polish birthplace had changed nationalities when the U.S government attempted to deport him in the 50/60's.
When a Nation has had it's borders changed as often and as dramatically as Polands it's not really surprising.

It is something slightly different though. For Adam Mickiewicz it wasn't contradictory to call himself a Pole and write "Lithuania, my fatherland..." For him it was obvious that he can be both and that was the beauty about The Republic of Both Nations.


Certainly, it depends on the scale as well as on the influence those communities have on the mainstream culture. I agree.

It is a very fascinating topic, and a very underestimated and forgotten period in the history of Poland and Central/Eastern Europe at the same time. Somehow people prefer to read about the failed uprisings than about Jagielonian or RoBN times. It really is a pity.

Unfortunately I will have to disappear for some time as I have a lot of work to do and can't be distracted but I will give you a link that will make a quite interesting introduction for the topic we have discussed here. Or at least I hope it will be interesting for you. :))

commonwealth.pl

Enjoy.

PS: I still don't get it why they mentioned French people and forgot about Dutch communities in Poland. Oh well, you can't have it all right? :)

Pozdrawiam

Maciej

After 3rd May constitution it was no longer "The Republic of Both Nations" it was just "Republic of Poland" and Lithuanians voted for it in their local parlaments. What is interesting last time they started to celebrate anniversary of 3rd may constitution.


great site you can make separate thread form this in history section. :)))

Thats a long story.


Well since it's not about immigration into the UK I doubt that it'll be a smashing success here on PF. :P

But yeah, it is a very interesting site. It could have been more detailed, but you can not have it all...

Yeah, I'm with you on that one, although... imagine the amount of methane you could extract from them.

polishforums.com/last_breath-40_22284_0.html#msg424949 - here is a good example

For me the fact that Poland had over 3 million Jews before WW2 is enough to prove lack of racism.No other nation would ever accept such a large number of Jews.

They also had commonwealth.Have you ever heard of a french-german commonwealth,or an english-french commonwealth,or even a dutch-german commonwealth or french-belgian?Only skandinavian countries had some similar form of unity(where all parts were not always satisfied or not forced to accept union).

As an aside - why do some of you think that being "multicultural" must mean "more than one skin colour"? Asia is a huge continent and surely extremely multicultural, yet no more than two skin colours prevail - or rather, two skin tones. Also, why is it that Poland is often slammed for being racist because sometimes, some people stare or point - which in my opinion is more curiosity with a bit of bad manners thrown in than outright rudeness or racism - while e.g. in India, where I spent three years as a child, people would routinely stare at us fixedly, walk up to us to touch us, follow us round, and laugh at our language and clothes, but such behaviour is not to be considered rude or racist by the tourist or visitor? Can you explain exactly why? Also, an American friend of mine repeatedly claimed Poland needed more "colour", it was "too white", would she make the same comments about India being too "brown" or Africa being too "black"? We all know she never would. Why is the existence of Europe and white European nations such a problem for so many of you? BTW, I have lived in Poland for most of my life, and it's been quite a long one, and I have truly never seen anyone being rude to a foreigner because of their skin colour. I have seen people who were fascinated by the difference in skin colour and/or clothes, but hopefully this should be taken as a sort of compliment. :-) I agree that somewhere out in the boondocks people might be genuinely shocked by someone who looked "different", but then they would be equally shaken by a white Polish girl immodestly dressed (in their opinion). It's not racism. It's just a lack of perspective, just like the Indians running after me and my parents, pointing and laughing their heads off reacted that way because to them, we were genuinely funny. If I can accept that when abroad, I want visitors to my country to be able to exercise similar understanding.

I exclude the real "white power" or "black power" or "whatever power" blockheads from my musings, as they are everywhere in the world and their problem is political, not sociological. At least that's what I think. Howgh ;-)

Not like the Nazis but "lack of racism"????

ANTISEMITISM IN INTERWAR POLAND 1919-1939
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Total/Polish%20Antisemitism.htm

THE KOSHER SLAUGHTERING BILL

LIMITING THE NUMBER OF JEWS IN PROFESSIONS

FORCING JEWISH EMIGRATION: THE "MADAGASCAR PLAN"


Germans lived most of their history in one commonwealth (Staatenbund) or the other...starting with Charlemagne, the holy roman empire of the German nation spanning nearly whole Europe, the Hanse, the many duchies and kingdoms included often

also neighbouring people etc...
The nation state Germany came only into existence 1871!

Germans pointing at Poles ? (using your neo nazi websites)

commonwealth.pl

it was beautiful country before your Nazi German invasion. of course not everything was perfect. Now we want to achieve what you Germans and later Russians have destroyed.

jewishfestival.pl/index.php?lang=e

it is Kraków (during this festival)

independent.pl/pliki/4612c26ea4bef5fc0bd2c796957db515

Why do you think there was the bigest european Jewish society in Poland before WWII ? Second after USA in all over the world.

You got a point. Denying the existence of antisemitism in Poland is plain silly. It has and does exists everywhere Jews live.

The only issue with antisemitism in Poland is that is has been blown out of proportion. In fact, considering non-islamic persons, Germany has had the highest number of antisemitic incidents in this decade.

And didn't they live mostly in their little shtetls without much contact to the Poles...with their own language (Yiddish - a German dialect), their own schools, their own professions, their own clothes? Strict Ghettos even before the Germans came? Not very assimilated I would say. Not to forget the regular pogroms!

The Jews in Germany to the contrary were totally assimilated...not many famous scientists from polish shtetls either...why is that?

From whom would you like "finger pointing" Lukasz? :)

That was their choice. If they wanted to live apart (most did) they were left alone. If they decided to become Christians then they automatically acquired the status of nobility. In fact, native Poles didn't have a lot of right Jews enjoyed.


Yes, these were against Jews and Poles (Chmielnicki), and then, after the occupying powers abolished the Statute of Kalisz the conditions of Jews in Poland went South.