Polish people and racism.

Maybe they didn't like but habit is hard to kill. PIS just want to recreate familiar patterns of control. Regress back to the racist good old days. By doing things like Prime Minister Beata Szydł abolishing Poland's Council for the Prevention of Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance.

@No, I wouldn't like to "re-phrase" my statement, Chemikiem!

Just finished reading an article in the NYT about dear old ultra-liberal Denmark, and the news ain't pretty!

One Johnny Christensen from Copenhagen who was interviewed by the Times reporter, claims that up until several years ago, he too was a "regular Danish guy" who welcomed foreigners and even tried to help out where he could, but as of the article, has confessed to becoming "a racist"!!!!

It doesn't take much, pal.

That's as may be, but he didn't beat anyone to death did he?
What you said was:-


Which says to me, and it's pretty hard to take it any other way, is that the " average Brit ", is a mindless violent thug who would beat someone to death.

Yes, we have racists in Britain, as I'm sure you do in your own country. They may even be vocal about it, but thankfully, the sort of person who would beat someone to death upon hearing a Polish voice, is extremely rare. To say otherwise is the height of stupidity.

The word has seen so much hysterical over-usage in the last few years that it's last almost all practical meaning. It's a non-accusation anymore.

So there were racist days in Poland? Amusing how brain washed you are.

@Chemnikiem,

The point being he too considered himself just another member of his homogeneous, white society, friendly and open until pushed too far.
Whether he WANTED to kill someone, however, I wouldn't know:-)

CNN: "Math is racist. How data is driving inequality"

money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/technology/weapons-of-math-destruction/

1's and 0's keeping the black man down

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Anybody can be pushed too far (including you or me). The governments of western Europe seem to be on a bizarre quest to systematically push their citizenry too far. I do not understand how anything good could come of this.

And freaking out because someone says "I am racist" will just contribute to pushing him too far.

The agressive tolerance-uber-alles pushers are racking up a pretty horrendous record themselves (Rotherham and Cologne for starters) So a little less self-righteousness all the way around is a good idea.

The black man, especially his leaders, are keeping the black man down. To win votes, black politicians and pastors are reluctant to tell their constituents to "clean up their act and live decent lives", so they blame everything on whitey.

i hope there isnt too many blacks in poland
im going on ERASMUS not on safari

The point being is that you wrote here that the average Brit is the kind of person like the youth who killed this poor guy. In other words, a violent thug.

The fact is that you are just plain wrong.

Nevertheless, the "average" Brit, today particularly, is not the same "John Bull" stereotype of some sixty-or-more-years prior!
The English as a lot have in general become considerably more proletarian compared with pre-Cool Britania; most British youth either don't know or don't care who Gilbert & Sullivan are, RP is rapidly disappearing (associated ever more frequently with a sort of quaint, laughable, hopelessly old-fashioned, stagey, almost homosexual pronunciation, confined to Queen Liz and few others!) and the monarchy has become a sort of living joke etc...

Therefore, yes, I stand behind my statement of before, because the more the working class becomes more and more disenfranchised, there will be far greater such xenophobic incedents!

Poles, among "others" are simply suffering the Post-Brexit fallout.

I for one agree lyzko.look how hitler came to power.

Then maybe the British government shouldn't have done so much to disenfranchise the working class....

Maybe not, but that does not make the average Brit a violent thug either. You cannot condemn a whole nation on the grounds of the act of one person. There are criminals in every country.

The English have a long tradition of cruelty, as have the Spanish! After all, the Puritans were English and not exactly the sort of people you'd like to tangle with either:-)

Please list an ethnic group/nationality which does not have a long tradition of cruelty.

You sir, have a very selective reading comprehension if that what you found on this forum. Either you're leftie (not liberal but leftie) or you're dumb as an ashtray. Nobody is advocating racism on this forum but as in very community some people express racist views and sometimes they're racists.


You seem to be unable to differentiate between theoretical debate on a internet forum as to what kind of immigrants to Poland people would rather have and reality on the ground for those who happened to be immigrants themselves..

If you imply that there is some kind of connection between being racists and being on the receiving end of a racist prejudice - you're an idiot.

On the top if it you're confused as to proper terms for those attitudes.
Racist doesn't take kindly to folk with a different skin tone than his own. A xenophobe hate all foreigners regardless of their race.
Between feelings and an action there is a threshold, not all racist or xenophobes are able or willing to risk it. Only mindless scum from the gutters and there is no excuse for them. Althought you seem to be more than happy to provide that excuse for them.

As they say - each for each own.


Well, their ancestors who have been slaves - no. Indirectly their progeny benefited from slavery. That one is obvious.

Only about 5 % of those taken to the new world by the Atlantic Slave Trade ended up in places that are now the US. One reason for that was that slaves were treated (comparitively) much better than in the Caribbean basin or in Latin America.

Of course slavery was terrible everywhere but it was much milder in the US than in other places in the western hemisphere (where most were worked to death with a steady supply of replacements).

Of course no one wants to dredge up the dreadful history of slavery in places like Haiti, Brasil or Cuba which was far more savage and bloody than in the US.

Another racist attack on Poles in the UK, Looks like the mainstream press are avoiding publication, I wonder why?

Polish man beaten by gang of 30 in Leeds on day PM speaks of hate crime 'regret'

Read more at: yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/polish-man-beaten-by-gang-of-30-in-leeds-on-day-pm-speaks-of-hate-crime-regret-1-8118850

Ironside, if you mean by "benefited", the monstrous cancer of affirmative action, then indeed, only their PROGENY did benefit:-)

As far as African-American professionals today vs. those some sixty years prior, when one met a black lawyer, professor or doctor (PRE-affirmative action), they probably were among the very best, since there was nobody to help them along!

Do Polish people think it is really racism when someone states a true fact about another race of people ?
Like if the shoe fits, wear it, instead of trying to deny it and start crying racism.
For example if someone were to say that "Black Fathers Matter", would it be fair to call that person a racist ?

Poles are easy targets because generally they are law abiding. The teenagers doing the attack cannot go attack the islamists child groomers and other filth because they will have tbeir throats cut. There may be a riot or whatever. They can't do that because they are povos from low income families and daddy buys his drugs from the pakis down the road. They can't even go to some of these areas because they are no longer british but lost lands, no go zones. Poles are easy to get to.

The most fundament human right which is systematically broken by the West, in fact not acknowledged or seen as right, is equality. Once upon a time I saw a BBC documentary titled The Poles are coming, when the English working class, previously forced by the Thatcherite offensive into a pit of despair, was then put into competition with the newcomers from the East by the Labourite - no wonder that they shifted into hostility.

It is easy to place the blame on someone else while running from the truth that's screaming from within - that's why I do not blame those young, stupid people beating foreigners, as a Pole I just avoid going into dangerous situations.

What I can see now is the politicians, running one or the other country, as trying to manage the risky situation - that is to shift the costs outside, to burden others with responsibility.

Another example is the Black Miss America contest. If someone launched a White Miss America pageant they would immediately be labelled as racist.

That's exactly my point Pol.
Polish people don't use the race card for a pity party crutch for themselves.
They may however call a spade a spade being 100% correct yet will get labeled a racist because they are not being "politically correct".

The word 'racist' is a word used by the liberals to instill guilt in the politically incorrect people like myself when we hit a nerve of truth that they can't dispute.

The word 'racist' is a word used by the liberals to instill guilt in the politically incorrect people like myself when we hit a nerve of truth that they can't dispute...

The word 'racist' is in continual use from the '30s - originally in the context of Nazi theories: classic German racists ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood. In the U.S., race hatred, race prejudice had been used, and, especially in 19c. political contexts, negrophobia. In the People's Republic of Poland the word racist was mostly synonym with Hitlerite genocidal policies in the East, sometimes in anti-American propaganda the racist card was used against the US policies in the South.

Reductio ad Stalinum; argumentum ad Hitlerum are currently the two most potent dodges in the art of quarrelling.

There is in English a huge difference between being "racist" and "bigoted"! A racist despises all races different from his own and wishes them ill, or worse. A bigot tolerates all races different from his or hers, they merely don't wish to be in their company, yet will endure the experience and hold their noses:-)

But if someone dislikes Albanians or Norwegians, is he racist? Both those nations are Caucasian. True to form, the finger-pointing PC have redefined racism to apply to any ethnic antagonism.

But if someone dislikes Albanians or Norwegians, is he racist? Both those nations are Caucasian...

In the United States racial typology the term 'Caucasian' has been used mostly by the Supreme Court in the context of racial restrictions on immigration by a national origins quota. The term was first used by the German anthropologist Johann Blumenbach (the supposed ancestral homeland of Germanic people was laid in the Caucasian Mountains). The akin term in the European context would be Aryan race as used by the Nazis. The last term was abandoned for obvious reasons. The US Supreme Court verdicts have changed many times as far as immigration quotas are concerned and the immigration drive of different people also has changed so the use of the notion itself has followed suite. The US Supreme Court infallibility is a dogma of the American democracy so I will not question their racial pronouncements.