One of more conspicuous Polish traits - inconsequence?

OP pawian 221 | 25255

18 Aug 2013 / #31

delphiandomine: so why doesn't someone simply remove it?
maybe because it's not politically safe?

No, because there is democracy. The guys who want the cross to stay where it is create a majority in the Parliament (working on behalf of their voters) , they are more numerous and as such stronger than the ones who want to see it removed. Isn`t it simple??? In case the cross removal supporters try to take it down, the majority is going to react:

That is pure democracy.

delphiandomine 86 | 17823

18 Aug 2013 / #32

But there wasn't democracy, because it was never voted on - it was placed there in the middle of the night.

We don't know how many people in the Sejm want it to stay, because there has never been a vote on the issue. Why there hasn't been a vote is slightly mysterious, but understandable - if the cross stays, the liberals can gain political capital by pointing out the absurdity of it. If the cross goes, the conservatives lose out and suffer a black eye in their electorate's eyes. Therefore - better for everyone if it stays.

OP pawian 221 | 25255

18 Aug 2013 / #33

But there wasn't democracy, because it was never voted on - it was placed there in the middle of the night.

Of course there is. Democracy isn`t only voting, it is also supporting the facts which have taken place.

We don't know how many people in the Sejm want it to stay, because there has never been a vote on the issue.

No need for any vote. The fact that the cross stays is enough.

Therefore - better for everyone if it stays.

Of course.

delphiandomine 86 | 17823

18 Aug 2013 / #34

Of course there is. Democracy isn`t only voting, it is also supporting the facts which have taken place.

I dunno, for something so significant, it should have been done the right way, not the way that involves taking a ladder in the middle of the night when everyone else is asleep.

Not least because - at least to my understanding - these things are normally placed by a priest. The fact that it was placed there by a pair of political opportunists gives it nothing but a reputation as something used to score cheap political points.

No need for any vote. The fact that the cross stays is enough.

What if someone takes it down? Will we see a ridiculously petty cross war carried out in the Sejm?

OP pawian 221 | 25255

18 Aug 2013 / #35

I dunno, for something so significant, it should have been done the right way, not the way that involves taking a ladder in the middle of the night when everyone else is asleep.

:):):)
Yes, but if it had been done the right way, we wouldn`t be discussing it now, right???? :):)

Not least because - at least to my understanding - these things are normally placed by a priest. The fact that it was placed there by a pair of political opportunists gives it nothing but a reputation as something used to score cheap political points.

Who knows?......

What if someone takes it down? Will we see a ridiculously petty cross war carried out in the Sejm?

What if someone takes it down?

I estimate the cross will last for the next 20, 25 years....

delphiandomine 86 | 17823

18 Aug 2013 / #36

I estimate the cross will last for the next 20, 25 years....

I think we'll see a huge argument over it at some point (especially if a minority party like Ruch Palikota holds the balance of power) - but yes, 20-25 years seems to be about right. But I've always thought that opposition to the cross in the Sejm is directly linked to the power of the Church - if the RCC weakens, then the cross represents far less of a problem.

OP pawian 221 | 25255

18 Aug 2013 / #37

I think we'll see a huge argument over it at some point (especially if a minority party like Ruch Palikota holds the balance of power) -

No, it seems RP are losers (they lose in all polls :):) and don`t know how to change it).

But I've always thought that opposition to the cross in the Sejm is directly linked to the power of the Church - if the RCC weakens, then the cross represents far less of a problem.

Who knows??