Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English

How can business be honest when every body's out for their own personal gain?


Jon will simply ignore that because it doesn't suit his point.

Jon seems an alright sort, on many issues I agree with him, on some he is a touch too left for my liking. Although on the whole he is a positive contributor to PF, that is all what matters in the cold light of day.

Yeah till he threatens you with court action. Jon's alright but he and I are going to keep clashing on these issues. One minute were debating the next minute hes swearing, calling me a nutter and then dreaming about what hes going to do with the money gained from suing me.

I am not involved in the spat between you guys, I just want to stay on topic as I believe there are vary valid points being raised in this thread.

Heres a good example of how perscribed drugs can be bad, i mentioned this on another thread before.

On Doctors orders my daughter was pumped so full of anibiotics for tonsilitis it weakened her immune system and she now has an internal Candida infection. We had to naturally build up her immune system and since we have done that she has not caught tonsilitis again.

A lot of illnesses these days are due to poor lifestyle, poor diet.

Chemotherapy has to be one of the worst treatment options going, chemotherapy very rarely cures cancer. I dont know why they even bother administering it for liver, lung or pancreatic cancer, you get any of those youre dead anyway.

Problem is with certain types of cancer e.g liver, is that by the time you have symptoms, it's usually advanced, so you have less chance of survival anyway.

Chemotherapy works, but again it's dependent on the type of cancer a person has, and also if it's spread to other parts of the body.

Nobody survives liver cancer, the liver acts like a central bus station for the body, if its detected in the liver then it would have spread.

Chemotherapy is almost 100% ineffective for liver, lung and pancreatic cancer, the reason so many people die from these is becuase they are inoperable, they cant remove tumours from these organs without killing the patient except in the case of the liver for the above mentioned reason.

Chemotherapy does not cure cancer.

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The Mac super-size world has a lot to answer for...

Not usually for that long because it's very often advanced when it's diagnosed.
NHS website states that currently only 1 in 10 liver cancer patients are diagnosed at an early stage. If it's advanced, treatment is aimed at making the patient comfortable, if a liver transplant isn't an option.

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It can be very effective depending on type of cancer a person has.
Apart from surgery, the only real weapons we have against cancer at the moment are Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy.

yeah. that and aspirin.

Pam if we had accurate stats for liver cancer and death i reckon it would be 1 survivor for about every 10,000 patients. I also have noticed the NHS adverts regarding early diagnosis but for lung cancer, why the hell theyre doing that i dont know becuase lung cancer is almost as effecient a killer as liver cancer.


Humm, yes billion $ industries are built around these treatments and its been the same for about 40 years now. I love the way the old charities keep pushing the panic button in our heads with regard to a cure being just around the corner BUT they just need a little more money, we've all been buying this story for about 20 years too.

It does have a very low survival rate. If only 1 in 10 cases are diagnosed early, 9 out of 10 are advanced, hence low survival rates.


I very much doubt a cure is just around the corner. Problem is that cancer isn't just a single disease, there are many different types of cancer, which is why it's so difficult to treat. Research costs money unfortunately, wherever it comes from.

Early diagnosis is not the reason for low survival rates with liver and lung cancer, you basically die from those no matter what.


Big pharma and their billion dollar chemotherapy monopolies are also an issue.

Have you heard of Jack Andraka and his revolutionary cancer screening technique?

What I'm saying is that maybe survival rates would be better if liver cancer was diagnosed at an earlier stage. Death rates are high because of the advanced stage it's got to when first diagnosed. Same with Ovarian cancer. It's called the silent killer because there are so few symptoms until it's at an advanced stage and has spread elsewhere. Screening is what's needed, but there isn't an accurate test for liver cancer screening yet.

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He's the young scientist that came up with a screening test for Pancreatic cancer? I think you posted a link to him on here a while back.

I know what you're saying, i don't think you know what im saying though.


No its not the same with ovarian cancer, you can have your ovaries removed and still live, that principle doesn't exist with the liver. All the chemotherapy and radiotherapy in the the world will not help you survive liver cancer regardless of what stage its caught at, thats why nobody survives liver cancer. Crikey your stubborn.


I thought you'd read that thread i can tell from what you've typed here that you read it actually.

Not many people know about Jack Andraka, but he is a genius and he has invented a revolutionary cancer detection system, one that can be adapted to screen for most cancers. This is your early detection system. The question here is why haven't many people heard of him and i believe this is the answer:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Andraka

Krople żołądkowe (stomach drops) are ideal for an upset stomach caused by too much rich food. It stimulates the secretion of gastric juices thereby speeding up digestion. Not to be confused with an acid stomach or heartburn when neutralisers such as Ranigast are recommended.

There is quite a lot about him on the internet now, all of it good.
Reckon it will take a while before his screening method is widely available though,it's bound to be subject to more trials.
I'm guessing about 5 years minimum.

I think the pharmaceutical industry are doing an effective job of killing off the natural remedy market, it is after all their business.

We noticed in Poland that Doctors there often recommended natural remedies like certain foods and herbal medicines. Its not the case in the UK at all, they push prescriptions at every opportunity because that's the system of which they are an integral part of. Legal drug dealers if you will.

Did you know that something called the 'Mac Double' that they have in the US is the cheapest source of quick calories. The problem in PL is similar - the poor have a diet loaded in carbohydrates and low in some more important things.

Diet alone isn't everything though.


Very easily. To fund the medical research, clinical trials, licensing, manufacturer etc costs a huge amount of money and the fore requires people to invest. Nothing dishonest, and nothing wrong with getting a good return on your investment.

I understand what youre saying but im not buying it for one second, 'no way Jose'. If the company of which you or I invest only has their own personal profit agenda at heart how can they be trusted? Thats a complete contradiction of terms.


Do you seriously have shares in Monsanto or did you say that to try and wind me up?

What would be your stance on shares in fracking (shale gas) companies for example? is that an honest investment even if we aren't fully aware of the ramifications of the pollution it presents.

If you invest in biological weapons research and these weapons ultimately are sold to powers that use them to kill people is that an ethical investment even if it produced excellent ROI.

PS - are you gonna threaten me with court action again if this debate doesn't go your way?

The whole point of a traded company is to make profit. The only other alternatives for discovering, synthesising, running clinical trials etc for producing pharmaceuticals or medical equipment are the state doing it, which they don't, and the voluntary sector, who don't either.

Btw, this isn't 'a debate', and getting sued or not depends I suppose on what someone says in public and whether or not the mods delete it in a timely manner.

yes, and with that obvious reality can you see the flaw?


I'm aware of that Jon, which is why i advocate the Zeitgeist Movement. Money has played its part in the evolution of society. Its come to the point now where corporations do not care about the people, they only care about profit. Profit above anything................even human life.

Now, would you answer the questions i asked previously?

My teściowa seems to base her self-medication not on tried and true folk remedies, but on TV commercials. And since they don't claim to be "real medicines" they don't require any kind of diagnoses by a medical professional. I'm just afraid she's going to die from a preventable disease because she relied on the advice of an actor in a lab coat working for a "new age" snake oil salesman with no more conscience and less accountability than the worst of the drug companies.

Scary, isn't it. There are still people here who swear by stuff like Echinacea and Lecithin. And it isn't that long ago that Herbalife were peddling their wares in PL.