Homosexuality in Polish Culture

Im just waiting for when tonights episode of the BBCs Holby City medical soap gets shown in Poland...............LMAO, two Builders,Polish,brought in after accident,one refers to his companian as a big bear.........there's issues about going home to Poland......hints of family disapproval at something........

You did not strike me as a thicko, I will give one more chance - think again.

P3 wrote:


let's face it, anyone with half a brain could come up with a better, more appropriate list of 10 commandments that actually apply to the 21st century. hell, the first 3 commandments say nothing other than, "worship me or else!". Surely, when you only got 10, that seems like a bad way to spend 3 of them.

Commandment 4.....even YOU don't follow that one and you'd be crazy to tell a family struggling to make ends meet, "don't you dare take an extra shift on Sundays....that's against the 4th commandment!"

Commandment 7 is essentially repeated in commandment 10. Oh, and let me ask you P3, should we always keep #10 in mind so that we can't EVER DREAM of coveting our neighbor's servants (slaves) or his ox or donkey? How many of those do you have? As is written, God's cool with slavery, just as long as you don't desire somebody's other than your own.

I can only hope that for someone looking to raise a moral, mature and well rounded child, you'd have a hell of a lot more to offer....provide just a weeee bit more insight into how to lead a good life.....than a completely outdated list of nonsense like the 10 commandments.

The reality.

Poland feels like a small backwards village, even in a big city.

Hypothetically, let say you decide to move there with your b-friend and get an apartment together. Once your immediate neighborhood finds out that you're gay they would start systematically pick on you and most likely you and your boyfriend would become local village freaks. See, the level of xenophobia and bigotry in Poland is nothing near the level of homophobia. I mean it's horrible.

If his parents should find out about this or his Polish friends, his social status would be diminished to a freak status and he would never be able to talk to them normally again. As crazy as it sounds this is the honest truth. One thing is for sure, if he ever pisses you off, you really know now how to destroy his life lol. I'm just joking, really. Anyway, Poland has 0.01 % tolerance towards gays. Some people are trying to give you a politically correct answer but the reality is that they would quickly cave in under the peer pressure and throw rocks at you along with everyone else back there.

Cheerios Captain Crunch

The word on the street is that the safest way to be gay in Poland is to become a priest.

So go ahead and tell you parents and your Polish friends that you're gay. ;)

"Kaczyński twice banned the Warsaw gay pride parade in 2004 and again in 2005, locally known as the Parada Równości (the Equality Parade), stating that the application of the parade organizers had not been properly filed, also saying that he did not respect homosexuals' right to demonstrate stating "I respect your right to demonstrate as citizens. But not as homosexuals. Additionally, he feared the parade would promote a "homosexual lifestyle" and complained that police did not use enough force in breaking it up by stating “Why was force not used to break up an illegal demonstration?”. Kaczynski referred to the organizers of the gay pride parades as "perverts". In 2004 his opponents called his actions unconstitutional and he was repeatedly criticised by the Mazowieckie Voivodeship administration, which officially supervises the Mayor of Warsaw. In 2005, he allowed a counter-demonstration, the "Parade of Normality."

"In 2007, Poland, represented by Kaczyński, was found guilty by the European Court of Human Rights of violating the principle of freedom of assembly under Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights."

This is just the top of the iceberg also 2007 seems peaty recent to me, that was just 4 years ago, they haven't change much since then.


That's the perspective of the majority of Polish people living in Poland now. I know the truth hurts guys, but there is no need for insults.

Again being gay is noting bad, it's perfectly fine to joke about it, you know.

No offense, but neither you or me (or Bzi for that matter) have the best idea what the majority people in Poland think these days.

And when you were last time in Poland?


So far nobody is insulting you. Just saying your perspective is way off.


I lived in Poland long enough to know that people generally know who is who and pretending to not know. My next door neighbor was gay and nobody was making any fuss about it. It was no issue.

My point was that before you start bashing a country, you should have some knowledge about it. I can't prove your point wrong for following reasons:

I only visit Poland once a year. I've left there 12 years ago.
My family lives in a small town. I only know that the people treat the one gay guy who lives there fairly, and he even organized a pilgrimage to Czestochowa that my mother took a week ago.

Again, people who live in Poland should tell on this forum how gays are treated there these days.

LOL!!!
if Poland is anything like the rest of the world, and everyone here gets their pitchforks ready if one dares to say otherwise, there's not chance in hell a town would have ONE gay guy per generation. so the rest are hiding (and who would blame them for doing so), and the one that everyone knows about is trying to suck up to the rest of the town by organizing trips to Czestochowa... that's pretty pathetic

You wouldn't want me, who has never been to Texas to say, the whole state is inhabited by a bunch of airheads shooting their guns wherever they can?

My point is get some knowledge about the country before bashing it. I said, I don't know how gay people are treated in Poland, and don't ask me if you want to know.

and you're automatically assuming that I know nothing about Poland, or that I know no gay people who have lived there, and you're also assuming that living in poland gives you those magical powers of knowing anything about life whatsoever. like I said before, if Polish dirt is supposed to be this pixie dust of wisdom, it ain't working for a lot of people.

it doesn't take an einstein to know that it's statistically impossible to have one gay person in a population of a town, however small, per decade.

Of course not. Ya need two gays to make new baby gays... Oops, wait...


I wouldn't say it impossible.

Jesus Christ and Oprah, it's like a Merry-Go-Around with you. That's the one example I know.

Another example:
13 years ago I had a lesbian friend visiting from Germany. I took her to a bar where supposedly gays met. Honestly, I couldn't tell who was gay and who wasn't. There were no people with outstanding bruises and scratches on their faces. Nobody threw rotten eggs at the bar. We had beer and we headed home and nobody was throwing stones at us (and no, we didn't kiss, I'm straight).

Yep that proves it.

even the most conservative, right wing Christian think tanks estimate the size of gay population at 1% (that's compared with anything between 3-25% by non right wing-nut sources).

that means, unless the town M was talking about had a population of 100, there had to be more than 1 gay person.

unless we're talking Iran. because everyone knows there are no gay people in Iran.

Did I ever say, there is one gay person? That's the one gay person I know. Getting to know as many gay people as possible wasn't on my priorities list when I was living there. Honestly, up to this day I don't care if someone is gay, or not. It's their business.

I can find a few posts here about how being gay is the worst thing that can happen to a human being (and this is verbatim, not a paraphrase).

I know people who are gay who left Poland because they couldn't live there openly, between their family and their "tolerant," church-going neighbors. I know gay people who got married so that they would avoid the stigma. I know about single people living by themselves that their neighbors just suspect of being gay (because why would they otherwise be single) and ostracize them just based on that. See, everyone in Poland is ok with gays, as long as they hide and don't make it obvious they're gay. And it's not just my words, read some of the past posts.

In this whole discussion about democracy, tolerance etc. is only one thing I don't understand, if it's OK for gays to live like they wanna live, have the same rights as everyone else etc, then why isn't it OK for traditionally raised (straight) people , to freely express their feelings about gays without being attacked for what they believe?

Democracy and freedom of speech for all, right?

1. she might live in Australia, but she's Polish nonetheless
2. nobody seemed to be jumping in at the time to contradict that gem of tolerance, as far as I remember


everyone is free to express their disapproving opinions but if their goal is to use those opinions to limit the freedoms of other people, on the grounds that they disapprove of those other people, based on who they are, then there is a problem.

I disapprove their right to adopt children (I don't care much about the rest). I personally don't have any problem to say it loud but there are millions of people around who are afraid to say it because they don't want to be attacked by others who feel differently about it. For some reason, gays and pro gays, are pretty aggressive when it comes to dealing with their opponents. It doesn't matter what we both believe as long as we are able to discuss it in a civilized manner but as seen on PF and not only, as soon as one expresses his feelings about gays or certain gay rights, the person will be almost always, ridiculed and insulted.

why?

You see, I barely finished off my sentence and you already came up with your WHY. Why not just accept how I feel about it? Why don't we just accept each other opinions without asking why? You know and I know that we'll start getting very "lively" sooner or later if we'll continue talking about it. You know my answer. No need for me to answer it and start an inevitable argument.

Let's just learn to accept each other without arguing.

(going on a break)

Apparently you were skipping class and smoking grass the day your Leftist professor went over statistics and percentages. Lol.


OMG. Now you're just making up silly stuff. Too funny!


Because that is not what uppity minorities want. Ever.


Indeed they are bullies. Hardly worthy of sympathy and does nothing to help their cause.

the estimates are 1 in 20, of course this all depends on ones definition of gay and the willingness of the participant to identify as gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. Do you own focking math I'm too drunk to do it for you.

That's 5% and that is still a very generously inflated estimate.

I'm still chuckling about the 25%! Lol. Libs will say anything to support their twisted view. Anything.

My wife made a typo just let it go. Who cares. there are 6,852,472,823 people on this planet, take a %5 of that, for sure it's more than Polish people in the world.

A post by me about gay people????
Could you show me the exact post?

It was not a POST, I did express my point of view here about gays but I don't rememeber who put the post or what the post was about, that's all.

My point of view on gays is still the same today. I have to and I am able to tolerate gays if needed but I have my rights to be able to express my view about this and no-one is going to change it .

It's just discusting!
That's how I really feel about this gay thing and ...to ITsAllAboutMe: it has nothing to do with Poland, can you believe?! I live long enough in Australia, while the problem with gay's rights aroused not only here but around the world.


And who are you?
At least I am not shamed of my Polish roots!?
Many people (or even most of them) in Australia are not happy about gays actions in recent years. It's a matter of time when we won't be able to say: I am heterosexual. There are countries today who do not call children by their gender (why not?) and who mostly teach young children about only same sex marriages etc.

I don't like it . I don't like my child to grow in society where it'll become unpopular to grow up in a family with mum&dad but it'll be trendy with two mums or two dads; or not to be called a girl or a boy.

Lately the UN dared to recommend that Australia be more 'welcomed' (how much more???) towards gays and many people were just shocked at the proposition. I am happy that the Aboriginal communities are protesting about it, something needs to be stopped.

What else this gay people want to change in our world.?
Isn't it enough what they already have? How much more power do they need to destroy completely view of normal, not gay, family these days?

I don't want to discuss these gay things with anyone here on this Polish forum. It's not a right place to do it here! So don't expect any answers from me!

They want to use their genitals to establish your silence...


Oh, we won't. :)

I think you may be underestimating the problem, Ash.

Why, only last week I was in the same postcode as a gay rights march and I just had to drop everything, buy a leather jacket at C&As, grow a handlebar moustache and develop a hitherto dormant obsession with interior design. And format the hard drive on the iPod, of course - all those Gloria Gaynor records to fit on there, even 16Gb probably won't cover it.